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If you have been following our blog and Facebook page for any amount of time, you know that our group doesn't always make friends with everyone in our community. For close to 20 years, our group has worked to make Uptown a better and safer place. We want what's best for Uptown and its residents, even though some may not share our vision for what that looks like.
John Greenfield at Streetsblog Chicago loves bikes very much. He loves bikes so much that he can't possibly fathom that some people only bike casually, can't bike due to physical issues, or don't bike at all. And John most of all can't accept that not all people see things the way he does, through bike-colored glasses.
But this isn't a John Greenfield post (sorry to disappoint John), it's a bike lane post.
We "driving obsessed" people here at Uptown Update have shared the very real concerns of Uptown residents about the installation of protected bike lanes on Clark Street before. We even suggested it might make more sense to put bike lanes on the entirety of Broadway, a much wider thoroughfare capable of accepting protected bike lanes (from Devon to Addison) with fewer effects on parking and local business.
But John and his bike advocate friends don't like that people disagree with them, and in his post yesterday and tweets today, effectively e-taunted us while celebrating the recent victory of bike lane advocates over bike lane opponents. [UG - he even called me out in the header! Squee!]
Just yesterday, in fact, we heard from Reader DJ, who asked us to share the very real concerns Clark Street residents [and businesses - Eds.] have about this project. His email to us is reprinted, in its entirety (minus privacy oriented edits), below:
Hello,
I hope this finds you well. Im a resident of [edited] at Clark and Lawrence and wanted to make you aware (in the event it is something you would consider covering) of the extreme concern many residents have about the Clark Street Corridor project that will begin this week to take away the vast majority of parking from Montrose to Winnemac. Many of us have been reaching out to our alderperson over it and feel that we were not given enough lead time or an opportunity to address our concerns, speak to the Alderman (there was one meeting with CDOT and the Alderman at Chase Park and no residents were afforded the opportunity to speak), etc. Ive pasted my email to Alderman Martin below that has way more detail in it (albeit a bit contentious as I and many others are super angry about it).I can get your other residents as well should it be something you are interested in. We see it as a really bad move in many ways and, most importantly, that we were not given a say or chance to speak on that matter. It seems very biased toward cyclists and very suspect that we dont know anyone that received this survey. We feel unheard, ignored and blindsided. The notice of construction beginning was sent out on Friday and the project begins tomorrow, clearly giving us no time to engage with our alderpersons.Anyhow, my email to Ald. Martin is below should you be interested. I can share some of the articles from the smaller community papers that have covered it, if useful. Either way, thanks for the great work you guys do.Main concerns - traffic congestion that is already bad will worsen, standing pollution will worsen, emergency vehicles will not have room to get by (already an issue), none of us received the survey (which is not representative of the opinions of residents on this stretch that are most impacted), the assertion that the parking is rarely used is completely false (I have pictures and videos), increased traffic on side streets, businesses will lose biz at a time when small businesses are struggling more than ever, It will make parking even harder the closer you get to Aville as people park down here all the time and walk up to Aville patronizing businesses along the way, it shows that businesses south of Foster are clearly not prioritized, it takes away parking to residents that rely on it (there are so many new buildings that have just been built and are being built on this stretch), residents who are the most impacted were not given a chance to address concerns or have a say in the matter -- no public speaking at the one meeting held in May.Thanks much[edited for privacy]Dear Ald Martin,I am a long-time supporter of yours who also campaigned for you. I live in the 47th Ward at Clark and Lawrence in [edited]. I was extremely disappointed, as were most of the residents of this complex and adjacent units, to learn that the cyclist project is set to begin next week. The letter announcing the start of construction was just sent today, giving us no time to voice our opposition after the only meeting. Yes, there was a meeting at Chase Park to announce the project but that meeting was not an interactive meeting or discussion with impacted tax-paying residents. We never got a chance to speak, officially ask questions or voice our concerns.We were actually in the process of asking you for a meeting with our residents so you could hear our side of the things. We dont know of anyone that was included in the survey that was apparently sent out. We are also concerned it was biased against us and in favor of cyclist advocates. There have been articles written on this. Im not sure if you have seen them. A 2000 person survey is not reflective of the much larger and growing population here and I question who it was sent to as I have not heard of a single person that received it (and Ive done my outreach). The majority of the meeting attendees felt it was not a meeting but rather a lecture or presentation from CDOT and the ward to tell us what is happening with statistics that we find not reflective of the feelings of those of us that actually live on this stretch of Clark. There was no opportunity to voice our questions and concerns. We thought we had more time to address this situation with you as the Chase meeting was a short time ago. Now we find out with almost no notice that construction will start in a matter of days.You stated that many of the businesses are in favor of it yet the majority that we have spoken to were not aware of the project or the meeting. Those same folks are not in favor of it. Why would they be in favor of a project that deters motorists from patronizing their businesses? Especially in a time when small businesses are struggling more than ever. It is already hard to keep businesses open here. Now we are getting rid of their precious parking?
We rely on those parking spots out there and the declaration that they are only used 30% of the time is completely inaccurate. I can share pictures with you that show just how full the parking is, especially in the evening and on the weekends. There may be sections where the 30% is accurate but certainly between Lawrence and Winnemac that is not the case in any way whatsoever. There are also major concerns about traffic and the ability for emergency vehicles (which are constant on this stretch) to get by. They already have issues getting by on a regular basis.Cyclist safety is important but so is vehicle safety, parking access for us who live here and contribute to this community, pay taxes in it. Certainly those of us on this actual stretch that live on Clark should have been engaged more. We feel there was little to no effort. We absolutely should have had a chance to fill out a survey. Have you considered the number of residential units built or being built on this stretch recently? Where will they park? The number of people that park on this stretch and walk into Andersonville, where parking is already a major issue, is many. They patronize businesses along the way. Traffic is already terrible on Clark street and side streets, as are the fumes from it that affect our homes. Now standing traffic as well as side street traffic will worsen as will pollution. How is that progress? I rely on those spots outside and many of our residents do as well. This is a huge impact to our lives and we had no say. It is a huge deterrent to new businesses south of Foster. Cyclists matter and this city has done much to their benefit recently but there is clearly a bias. Motorists matter as well, especially resident motorists. Some of us have to have cars. Ive lived in this unit for 13 years and seen this area get more and more popular. I watch this street from my unit every day. To state that those parking spots dont matter especially when there is already a bike lane is just false. Period.I'm not an apathetic citizen. I certainly know how hard you and your staff work (hence always being supportive). I am a good steward of the community and often inform your office of things that lead to community improvements. I did express my concerns in an email about this project after the Chase meeting. Ive been an advocate of yours. I care. In this situation, it absolutely feels like you do not. I am speaking for many people in this community that voted for you and feel discarded and ignored right now. I'm guessing that doesnt matter. Again, we thought we had more time to gather feedback and provide it to you. I was in the process of doing so. And I'm certain there is nothing that can be done now (though I will be elevating this to whoever and wherever I can (more research for me). It was clearly planned that way. I certainly hope there will, at least, be efforts taken to enforce the law on cyclists who are often extremely unsafe and dont abide by laws. I would still appreciate the opportunity to speak with you further about this. I think the process of engaging residents (especially those directly impacted) on community projects of this size needs some careful scrutiny as currently it leaves some of the most important voices out. It leaves us feeling unincluded and unimportant. But again, it seems like that may have been the point. I look forward to, hopefully, hearing back from you.Sincerely,Your extremely disappointed constituent,
[edited for privacy]
So, John, there you go. Reader DJ is but one of many many people (and existing businesses along the 4500, 4600, 4700 and 4800 blocks of Clark Street) that have reached out to us over the last year to say that they don't agree with the bike lanes.
Since John and The Chicago Bike Community (TM) don't agree that Reader DJ's concerns are valid, however, expect loud commentary here and on Facebook from the 'Community.' [Y'all don't disappoint! - Eds.]
We will tip our UU cap to them, as they are quite good at mobilizing, filling meetings and comments sections to create the illusion of popular support even when the very people most affected by their preferred outcomes may not agree. But apparently our opinions (as those of anyone who disagrees) are "Windshield POV," so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I live on this stretch of Clark and received the survey, and participated in the community meeting. There was plenty of notice for this project, from when the Clark Street Crossroads survey was sent out, to the initial outreach of this current project. I think DJ's assertion that they participate in the community is an outright lie. I think these pedestrian improvements are crucial in making this stretch of Clark more appealing to potential new businesses. As someone who actually engages in the community, and engages in conversation with the local businesses, my sense was an overwhelming support of this project. As someone whose primary mode of transportation is walking and public transit I especially welcome these street improvements at Clark and Leland. Motorists at this interaction are overly aggressive and often do not wait for people to safely cross the street. I very much welcome these improvements and know that this will be a major headache for us in the short term, but I plan on still walking to the local businesses I like and supporting them during the construction.
ReplyDeleteI ride often along Clark and heartily welcome the addition of protected bike lanes. I own a car, but I don’t feel the need to take up a public resource to store it while not in use. This extension of the protected lanes south of Montrose will make the neighborhood safer, traffic lighter (in the long run), and bring more people into businesses along this stretch. (Even though a decent chunk is taken up by the cemetery.)
ReplyDeleteAs a long time Uptown resident with three young children I couldn't be more excited about the infrastructure improvements on Clark street!
ReplyDeleteEager to see the Leland Greenway develop more fully east of Clark to the lake. The current Uptown stretch of the Leland Greenway includes more danger and stress for bikers than it should.
Sorry, but I walk this stretch (between Lawrence and Argyle) almost every day, at various times of day. The parking is rarely used. The daycare and hotel will sometimes have pick up and drop off. Otherwise it is just free car storage for the auto body shop. The west side of Clark against the cemetery is even less used. North of Ainslie you’ll get people un/loading for the bar and dispensary on the east side of Clark, but by then the west side of the street is empty.
ReplyDeleteWell since apparently some feel being a direct tax payer is the most important status of this discussion (as opposed to renters who ... wonder how those landlords pay taxes though hmmm...?) let me first state that I am a proud homeowner in the area. I bike my kid every day down Clark to school so I am obviously super happy to hear about this new development. This is also a massive corridor for people on their little electric zippity doos. I don't partake but they need space too. I'm not sure I understand the gripe of the person's email - those buildings all have parking do they not? I can't imagine the cemetery residents need the street parking... I'll pour one out for you tonight Uptown Update.
ReplyDeleteSeems your opinion is in the minority so far! Can't wait for this to be done.
ReplyDeleteI am a parent at one of the daycares on Clark and I bike my child to school daily. This section of Clark has always been low trafficked and safe. I am concerned that the protected bike lane will make my bike drop off more dangerous by forcing us to make a U-Turn at Clark and Leland. The drop off loading zone is also moving from Clark to Leland and there is not enough space for parents dropping off their kids, car and pedestrian traffic. This project is a hazard waiting to happen
ReplyDeleteHere's what we actually said about Uptown Update in our article: "Prediction: The anonymous windshield-POV website Uptown Update, which has previously grumbled about the proposal to swap parking spots for people space, will run a new post bemoaning the decision in 3... 2... 1..." Nailed it! But, for the record, I had no idea that one of the cloak-and-dagger bloggers at UU goes by the pseudonym "Uptown Girl." So, sorry, I wasn't calling you out in the headline, just referencing a Billy Joel song. Cheers, John Greenfield, editor, Streetsblog Chicago
ReplyDeleteEliminating parking anywhere in uptown is ridiculous….i never see there ‘empty spaces’ to which some refer. I believe some already struggling businesses will be even more stressed with this plan. Count em, more cars than cyclists.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who lives nearby and bikes this stretch regularly, the CDOT parking data seems to be correct. The parking is never close to full.
DeleteThe cars are mostly using Clark as a cut through so the number of cars is probably not an accurate indicator of business success or failure.
Seems like? Honey seems to me like manipulation by the better organized.
ReplyDeleteI drive from lake view often to shop or dine in Andersonville. If I can’t park there I won’t come anymore. And no, I’m not replacing my car trips with a bike.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the 22 or 36 bus or the Redline? They all go between Lakeview and Andersonville and the Berwyn and Bryn Mawr stops are brand spanking new. Way easier then fighting for parking on Clark.
DeleteYeah right. I’m not going to take an hour to take a bus. If I can’t drive and park (I generally don’t have a problem “fighting” for a parking spot), I’m not going. Will shop somwhere else.
DeleteCool, you’ll be one of the few that stay away making Andersonville more enjoyable for the rest of us. Clark between Foster and Balmoral maybe even as far as Catalpa should be made a pedestrian only street as there’s more than enough data proving it would bring more people and the businesses would thrive if the street was closed to vehicular traffic.
DeleteIt doesn’t take an hour but whatever. Good news is there is plenty of places for you to go that have easy parking that’s not Andersonville. I’m sure the business will be fine without you.
DeleteWhere’s the data?? And don’t share some crack pot data from some other country and say it would work here?
DeleteNot everyone is like you, and clearly you aren’t interested in ditching the car for any trips despite living near frequent transit and walkable neighborhoods. That’s fine, but we just want options for those of us who can’t or don’t want to drive everywhere.
DeleteI live in the area and the majority of the business do not have their own parking. The stretch from Irving to Montrose has reduced the road width, taken away parking for those who live in the area (not commute thru it) and the barriers block it from street cleaning plus considering all the necessary infrastructure needed in the area/city, this is poor use of funds and will have consequences.
ReplyDeleteDid it take away metered parking or free parking? I cannot remember.
DeleteIf its metered I have never heard of residents using metered parking to park really anywhere.
What is your point about street cleaning? CDOT even has a fleet of bike lane sweepers now, so the streets can be swept curb to curb for everyone.
DeleteAfter seeing Anna Maria Pasteria go out of business from a car crashing into it, I do not see how cars are essential or safe on this corridor. Cars can still park on side streets to patronize businesses. This area is already dominated by walking and biking, why not make it safer?
ReplyDeleteThis is a really good point.
DeleteCan't wait for this to be finished so I can finally bike to those businesses. My family never goes to this section of Clark because its just too dangerous with all the speeding drivers. One close call with my family was one too many.
ReplyDeleteJust here to say that I live in the area and I received the survey and attended the feedback meetings. They were both widely broadcasted and easy to find for people active and engaged in the community. I am looking forward to these changes!
ReplyDeletenice statistical sample of responses you gathered there
ReplyDeleteI live near the Clark and Montrose intersection, am a casual bike rider and car owner, and I fully support the new protected bike lanes on Clark. I can confirm the survey was sent out - I believe multiple were sent out over the years. The Clark Street Crossroads survey was heavily advertised a few years ago, and Alderman Martin shared separate surveys multiple times via his weekly newsletter and email distribution lists. There likely were flyers/QR codes on lamp posts in the area, too.
ReplyDeleteI hear the concern about businesses being impacted along Clark. But let's face it - clearly the existing Clark St infrastructure there does not work. Starting at Montrose, Clark is a long stretch of empty businesses and storefronts. Yes, we've had a few great businesses pop up or revive recently, but in general that stretch of Clark still has a long way to go to attract pedestrian (and potential customer) traffic. I strongly believe the bike lanes will do just that, making it easier to commute between Lakeview and Andersonville and attracting people that live in both those neighborhoods.
So much this. Making everything about cars - vs other options (NOT JUST BIKES!) is what has kept Clark retail in uptown dead. It’s a pass through place to aville right now.
DeleteLong time Uptown/Sheridan Park resident, homeowner, cyclist, car owner here.
ReplyDeleteAnecdotally, I see plenty of cyclists on this stretch whenever I’m out and about. I also rarely see street parking at capacity here. Removing one side of street parking seems inconsequential to me.
I’m also having trouble accepting the idea that leaving the parking as-is will somehow save these “already struggling businesses.” If they’re already struggling *with* parking available, then it seems like something else is wrong with this corridor.
I use Clark to get to and from Andersonville where we live. While it’s frustrating that the new lanes won’t connect directly to the Clark lanes to the north, they’ll make it much easier to link the Glenwood Greenway through the heart of Andersonville. That’s a win for everyone.
ReplyDeleteThey’ll also connect to the Leland Greenway, which is a fantastic route west to Ravenswood Metra, Lincoln Square, Rockwell, and the river and will be even better after they warp up their work at Leland and Western this fall.
And just to note — I live in the area, received the survey, and attended the feedback meetings. All were widely broadcast and easy to access for anyone engaged in the community. Local papers from the Block Club to the car-brained NIMBYs at Inside Publications all covered it. I’m excited for these changes!
Biking in the street is prohibited in Urbana/Champaign. They have wide enough sidewalks that bikers bike on the sidewalks.
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with Clark street? Last I checked the international gold standard is Dutch street design not Urban/ Champaign street design.
DeleteBiking on sidewalks is illegal in chicago (and dangerous). There are signs all over. The street is much safer. Not sure what your point is about urbana.
DeleteFunny that even the image from google street view attached to this post shows relatively low usage of the available parking on Clark Street. That’s pretty representative of how it looks most days in my experience.
ReplyDeleteLaughable to think that this will somehow encourage businesses to open.
ReplyDeleteI've been a long time cyclist and love bike commuting around the city but the protected bike lanes are problematic - you still can get doored (on the passenger side), the lanes are often not wide enough for passing, people use them for the motorized scooters and electric-boosted bikes that go 30 MPH, they frequently flood, and by narrowing the roads they create major car traffic jams when someone has to do a left turn and there is no room to go around with traffic backing up into and blocking intersections further back.
ReplyDeleteAll of these things make bike commuting more dangerous and more annoying. Clark street between montrose and lawrence is a dead zone, and adding more parking or adding bike lanes probably won't change that. I agree that the protected bike lanes would be more effective on a wider street like broadway but I'd rather have the painted lanes over the protected bike lanes.
Our family does not own a car, and we primarily get around by bike or by transit. I much prefer the protected bike lanes when I am biking with my kids. I would rather have a parked car and concrete between me and the travel lane, instead of just paint.
DeleteI’m a homeowner directly on Greenview along this stretch and there have been three years of meetings and planning and discussions happening in public, with ample opportunities to weigh in and provide feedback. It’s hilarious that you have to spin a false narrative that none of that happened when I lived it and went to every single meeting. And every single one of them was packed overwhelmingly with supporters, the majority of which live in the area.
ReplyDeleteIt’s sad to me that you would rather lie and complain to your readers than accept that you do not represent a majority of this community, maybe you did a long time ago when you launched, but you’re out of step today.
I live near Ashland and Winnemac and look forward to this project, which will provide a safe direct route home on Clark and Winnemac when I bike. I also walk to businesses on Clark and take the 22 bus on Clark. If you go south of Montrose you can see that the reconfiguration of the same space to better protect people biking does not cause more congestion. In fact it’s a smoother bus ride in that section. The city is for people, not cars and parking. This design has been in planning for years starting with the visioning process and it’s a continuation of the successful design south of Montrose. Complain all you want but people who actually live and shop here are in support. You don’t speak for me or many of my neighbors.
ReplyDeleteOld man yells at cloud. More at 10.
ReplyDeletecan we also talk about bikes not following the rules of the road and just speeding through stop signs without stopping even when people and their kids and pets are trying to cross the street? they need to have permits and licenses if theyre going to use the same streets cars do and insurance. they need to follow the rules of the road.lets use common sense.
ReplyDeleteCan we talk about cars not following the rules of the road and blowing through stop signs when people and pets and kids are out and about? One car/one bike behaving badly on the roads does not represent all motorists and cyclists. Yes, let's use common sense.
DeleteI love the bicycles
ReplyDeleteWalkable/bikeable street corridors always increase foot traffic for businesses, which increases sales. That is an undisputed fact no matter if they are located in Europe, Asia, or North America.
ReplyDeleteBased on the content of the letter you quote, I think the writer must be very new to the neighborhood. We’ve been talking about this project since at least 2022 (during the Clark Street Crossroads process), and there have been multiple meetings over that time frame.
ReplyDeleteThere has been so much time for meetings and feedback that I’ve literally had two kids during the period from the first meeting to when construction is finished.
I’m glad the city is finally moving ahead with this project. I am looking forward to biking this with my kids, and I know several other neighbors who feel the same way.