Friday, October 26, 2012

JDL Developers Signs Agreement For Maryville Property

From a 46th Ward Zoning Committee email and Ald. Cappleman's office:
"We learned this week that JDL has signed an agreement with the sellers of the Maryville property, and in the coming months will be presenting plans and going through community and Z&D review. We don't yet have a timeline for the review process."

You can read more about JDL at their website. Looks promising. JDL is also the developer of the Halsted/Bradley development in the 46th Ward section of Lakeview.


  1. Cap did a great job supporting a proper dense development at the Halsted site…given the same developer, I have hopes for something similarly dense further north.

  2. From all I read about this developer and have seen some of their work it seems to me they are just what the area needs to build a quality product. I sure am tired of looking at the Maryville property that looks worse by the day and are dragging down our resale values in the area around it.

  3. This is potentially good news.

    JDL is a developer with a good track record.

    Cappleman did approve some nice density at the IHOP site in Lakeview.

    It was nice to see an alderman who stood up to the NIMBY anti-development hordes. "Oh it's too tall, we were hoping for a park or a Trader's Joe's. Maybe a two story Trader Joe's with a fenced in space for free range injured vegetarian urban coyotes on the roof."

  4. So much for the "Maryville will sit for years if we don't approve Sedgwick" argument.

  5. We'll see what actually comes of this. After the last proposal was rejected, my confidence is low. I suppose if the new proposal doesn't include TIF, condos, anything higher than 3 stories, or major retail, it has a chance.

  6. "I suppose if the new proposal doesn't include TIF, condos, anything higher than 3 stories, or major retail, it has a chance."

    I understand this cynicism...I'm sure we'll see a push for trader joes and a park but I have confidence JDL will deliver the stylish market rate density this site and community needs.

  7. Keep this in mind NIMBY's as you marshall your forces to oppose whatever development is proposed here.

    If you want better retail we need more people.

    Plus it will be more bodies using the Sunnyside entrance to the future Wilson Avenue CTA redo.

    I love it when a plan or a master plan comes together.

  8. This is exceptionally good news. A savvy, smart, community minded developer!

  9. IP

    Why do you have to start with name calling? After numerous posts you still can't get it through your head that the people you call NIMBYs are mostly for RESPONSIBLE development. The problem is that you don't care because it's not in your backyard.

    Also, please tell me how the alderman stood up to these so called NIMBYs. As far as I'm concerned and to his credit, he listened to everyone and made a decision that 90% of his constituents favored. I am glad to have the property developed by a responsible and reputable company so that the property values hopefully rise and we have some nice new retail.

  10. OH man,

    It's 10 am and I'm hungover.

    Cappleman stood up to the NIMBY hordes in LAKEVIEW for the IHOP property and a good looking dense building will hopefully soon appear there.

    NIMBY's by definition are NOT for responsible development. They are for a development which they approve and which in on way offends either their sense of style or their sense of lifestyle.

    Cappleman also handled the earlier plans for this site perfectly as community opposition was wide and deep. The earlier developer had a problematic track record, horrible PR skills, and asked for a massive amount of TIF money.

    JDL has a good track record, good PR skills and we'll see what they ask for regarding TIF money.

    I suspect the opposition to whatever is proposed here will be narrow and shallow, but time will tell. If JDL asks for 20 million in TIF money the Uptown Militia will reform and my narrow and shallow prediction shall prove wrong.

    By the way the last people who should have an input on building or zoning are the people DIRECTLY impacted. Nothing would ever get built.

    There should actually be a city zoning czar who decides such things. I'll do it for $150,000 a year, a car and a staff of five people to run my errands and cut my lawn. Oops, did I type that last sentence. Scratch it.

    When I was a kid and not hung over my dad tried to pull a permit to have a garage built in our backyard. Virtually every house on the block had a garage. A neighbor, who apparently had some photos of the local alderman naked with some women of ill repute, objected to the new garage. He felt his garden would lose light. The alderman refused to issue a permit.

    My dad lied to the alderman and just asked for a slab permit. The slab was poured one weekend and the next weekend when my dad was sure the neighbor was out of town 6 Irish carpenters put up a garage in a day. My dad then called the alderman and told him and also suggested his next call would be to the media. The permit was issued retroactively. The best part is at that time in that ward alderman expected a "gratuity" or donation for issuing permits and none was forthcoming.

    Do you see the light?

    YOU, JUST ASKING, don't get to decide what goes there simply because it will greatly impact you. In a perfect world I would decide. Alas, this is not a perfect world.

    If you buy a property near or adjacent to a large clearly developable lot don't complain when the lot gets developed.

    I hope to see a tall, dense building there with the use of little TIF money. We need more market rate housing in Uptown.

    I hope whatever JDL proposes to build there minimizes the negative impact on adjacent neighbors or even buys them out, but ultimately the main issue is getting a dense, good looking and well designed building there.

    Whatever is built there will likely be there long after we are all dead and gone.

  11. YOU IP don't get to decide what goes there just because you don't live next to it. You always choose to respond to what you see as negative in my comments. You NEVER speak to anything I say about wanting the property to be developed by a responsible developer so my property values go up. I wrote many times about JDL listening to the directly effected neighbors and wanted SedgeDick to do the same thing. So I will just write you off as someone who wants to be inflammatory and doesn't really care about any of this.

  12. Mwah?



    It's not about YOUR property values. It's about UPTOWN.

    There's no "just asking" in the name Uptown. Just like denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    By the way "SedgeDick"?

    You're calling me inflammatory?

    That's like a crocodile calling an alligator ugly.

  13. It's not about YOUR property values. It's about UPTOWN.

    Well .. if Just asking's property values go up, then so do a lot of other peoples'.

    If a lot of other peoples' property values go up, then UPTOWN will benefit through increased density, improved retail, better schools, more money for public services ... etc.

  14. Yo ho ho,

    I'm all for increasing property values for Uptown. It seems to me that JA is more concerned with his property values and lifestyle than what benefits the majority.

    There may be some folks negatively impacted by the JDL IrishPirate SuperTower. There are ways of making them whole financially.

    If I were dictator or DICK Tater if you will I would take the all of the north side of Montrose from Clarendon to and including the Dearborn Wholesale property and put up a highrise. Hell, the building housing Jake's might have to go too.

    We need density and more market rate housing and people in our lovely crime free Uptown. Or as I will rename during my Reign of Error Bucaneerville.

  15. Very much hope that JDL goes with an adaptive reuse of the Cuneo Hospital building as recommended by Preservation Chicago (

    Clarendon from Irving north to Lawrence is actually a remarkable walk through architectural history, in particular because it affords uncrowded views of so many different historical building types, including modernist architecture in the public realm. The view east from Clarendon of the reflected sunset with rising moon over the Disney Magnet school tonight showed a powerful glimpse of Perkins+Will 1970s style that the photos on the Public Building Commission's website don't capture ( Bertrand Goldberg's Brenneman School is a hidden gem that's well-represented by drawings in the Art Institute's collection and well-documented by others, but almost invisible to many in the community (

    Cuneo Hospital deserves research alone for the remarkable solar orientation and ventilation strategies of the north-facing stairwell with awning windows. Solar gain, solar chimneys, and related strategies are increasingly valued as we try to find effective and energy-efficient heating and cooling solutions for the future.

  16. "By the way the last people who should have an input on building or zoning are the people DIRECTLY impacted."

    Isn't this development going to impact most of Uptown? Does that mean you don't think most Uptown residents should have input?

    And why is IrishPirate so set on a dense development? Are there really that many people that want to move to Uptown but just can't find a decent place? It doesn't seem that way to me. But what do I know, it's not like my dad ever illegally built a garage because he didn't care about how it impacted his neighbors.

  17. "Are there really that many people that want to move to Uptown but just can't find a decent place? It doesn't seem that way to me." This is the same sort of reasoning that some people use to say that we shouldn't have a Sunnyside entrance for the new Wilson Station because *RIGHT NOW* it's "dark and scary" and people keep getting shot at around the corner in front of the ward service office and on Wilson.

    Sometimes you've got to stop being negative, make your world more than the garbage pit you think you live in, and climb up where you can see what is off in the distance. It isn't always about what Uptown is's about what it can be.

    And now, how about if we look past IP's ever-present humor and occasional sarcasm that seems to trip up quite a few people and understand what he's saying. If you WANT more "eyes on the street" and WANT to have a Trader Joe's and WANT to have shops and restaurants that are a little more upscale than hair-weaving-and-nail salons, t-shirt and gang-wear shops, and Popeye's Chicken, then you've got to get the eyes there to begin with and change the demographics so the neighborhood (and surrounding neighborhoods) can support the businesses. Plus, people perceive safety in numbers--the more people we have, the safer we seem to feel, including non-residents. That's what IP is talking about with higher density...and of course, that generates more property tax and sales tax revenue, too.

    So, are there really that many people who want to move to Uptown who can't find decent places? Most people want to live in places with the right mix or potential for the right mix to a neighborhood...and where they can have a home they will be proud of and at a good value. Yes, people WILL want to move to Uptown if we don't build in reasons not to!

  18. Turboman,

    the garage fit the zoning, built better than the code--it was all face brick, and would have been built with a permit if the alderman hadn't been a shithead who was trying to please a personal friend and hadn't been looking for "donations" for performing his job.

    The idea that an alderman can deny a garage permit based on nothing more than personal whim is abominable. The idea that a neighbor with a garage on an identical size lot can deny you the right to build a similar garage because it hurts his tomato plants is SILLY.

    The garage was the same size as dozens of other garages on the block with identical zoning.

    As for the rest the ursine one nails it. Except I disagree that I'm sometimes sarcastic. I'm sarcastic by nature. It's a gift baby Jesus only gives to a few of us. He gives the Mormons sacred underwear. He gave me sarcasm. I WIN!

  19. My apologies for not phrasing it better, but I was absolutely not trying to be negative or calling where I live a garbage pit. I was actually trying to say that I don’t think a lack of decent places to live is what is keeping people from moving to Uptown. I think there are already plenty of decent market rate apartments/condos in the area and that if people want to move here they should use the present inventory. I don’t think we need a developer to build 300+ market rate condos/apartments on the Maryville property because I think a lot of the units would sit empty. I don’t have an “if you build it, they will come” mentality. If you could guarantee that a high density project on the Maryville property would achieve a decent sell-out, I would be all for it. I just don’t see that being the case.

    Also, I don’t think I live in a garbage pit, so please don’t put words in my mouth. I know people can get frustrated by the negativity of others, but comments like that don’t help (and for the record, I am all for the Sunnyside entrance for the Wilson station).

  20. "Plus it will be more bodies using the Sunnyside entrance to the future Wilson Avenue CTA redo."

    Why would someone walk 3 1/2 blocks to try and board a crowded Red Line train, when they could walk a block to an express bus on Marine Drive and get a seat?

  21. @DuneWonk: Maybe because the remaining express buses on Marine Drive won't necessarily have more empty seats than the Red (and Purple) Line trains stopping at the new Wilson Station?

  22. Well Dunie the Red Line and/or Purple/Brown lines might work better for them. Perhaps they work further west.

    The express bus is great UNTIL it hits N Michigan Avenue. At that point during rush hour it's better to get off and walk.