This video was taken yesterday afternoon just about a block north from Joe Gray's infamous video at Sheridan and Leland. Excellent response from the police, within 30 seconds we are told.
Update: This is probably the incident someone wrote in about here. Bike thrown in street - check. Lots of swearing - check. At least one person with bat in hand - check.
How lovely....really.
ReplyDeleteWay to use the FLIP! I bought one and will carry it with me as I walk through our neighborhood.
What is Alternatives doing to help our community? I often notice these gangbangers running in and out of there and hanging out in front of the building. Why isn't a representative of this agency at CAPS meetings?
ReplyDeleteDo we know to where these poor misguided youths are scattering? Perhaps Ron and Marc could meet them there with a Scrabble board and lemonade. I'm sure they could explain to them how we, "evil condo owners", are misinterpreting their playfulness and could direct them to other competitive endeavours.
ReplyDelete"What is it about this particular video that caused such great fear in so many people?"
ReplyDeleteMaybe Helen should speak to the poor family caught in the middle, the cabby who couldn't drive down the street, or the business owners here - I'm sure this is great for business!
Uh oh Helen....here comes another one. Not going to look good once the local media follows up. You had better just hope no one gets seriously hurt in the coming days or EVERYONE will be calling your head.
ReplyDeleteBuh-bye Helen.
To whomever posted this...please contact ALLlocal media outlets and let them know what you have. I am sure they are salivating at the chance to show another instance.
WOW!! STILL FIGHTING?!!! THIS IS freakin SAD!! In 2 weeks this is about the FIFTH fight i seen, involving the SAME two gangs, SAME 18 and under guys in the SAME neighborhood. When will it end? only so many times you can have a screaming match and throw under 5 punches each encounter before someone decided to start shooting or something drastic.
ReplyDeleteI love uptown but these guys are really making me feel embarrassed for my neighborhood.
Cops came pretty fast, but really....what can they do to stop the madness? Most of them probably have no records...yet, so its not easy to look them up in any database if you recognize their face. You cant catch them when you get to the scene because one or two squad cars arrive and the gangs disperse quickly at full speed when the police actually pull over. so.....whats next?
Ald. Shiller is being useless right now, you all have a GOOD point though for the neighborhood, if only Helen would listen to us little people......
I lost faith in politics COMPLETELY after Mayor Daley's bamboozle on us people of Chicago in order to raise Olympics money. We're getting LESS police protection, LESS parking privileges, MORE crime seems to be occurring and tickets and fees have INCREASED. Im back home for the weekend, i have my camcorder everywhere i go now, if i see ANYTHING, i am recording it, posting it on here THEN sending it to the news and radio stations, how do you want Olympics to be in a city when it seems the crime rate is going up due to all the cuts Daley has made? This city needs to be exposed fr the truth and not the 30 min long videos Daley creates to show the Olympic committee how "nice" and safe Chicago is!!
The loiterers are back at Magnolia and Sunnyside, a gaggle of 8 or so, most well beyond high school age. They were gone all summer. Is this grounds for calling the police?
ReplyDeleteWill there be one arrest from this event?
ReplyDeleteCrime Statistics can only carry you for so long.
RP, sometimes I call 911 and report that I see suspicious activity and let them choose whether or not to come out as they work out their other priorities.
ReplyDeleteNothing wrong with hanging out, but Magnolia/Sunnyside has been declared a hot spot for gang activity so it wouldn't hurt to at least alert the police.
"There were no guns or knives used..."
ReplyDeletenothing to see here, move along
no guns or knives shown in the video
just boyz being boyz
Robert,
ReplyDeleteAt CAPS, police tell participants to report suspicious activity if you see it. If you consider a group of people loitering in a gang and drug hot spot suspicous, report it. 911 operators will prioritize the call.
Most of the time the cops will drive by to make their presence known. They know who the true gang members are and will will take the appropriate action, if any.
Be as specific as possible with your description. If they're loitering around a car or making cat calls to a car(s) driving by, provide a description of the car and license plate number.
These fights are your basic fights that happen in high schools and neighborhoods all over the country. I can't get over all the hysteria.
ReplyDeleteaddy,
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's why high schools all over the country are failing. If gang riots are considered a normal everyday occurrence, its hard for me to believe the kids are actually going to be able to learn.
And you must be one big man if people throwing bottles at each other and screaming "send that n__er to the hospital" doesn't scare you.
This sort of thing took place fairly often in my neighborhood in the summer and I grew up in Beverly on the south side. They had chains and the occasional knives. I knew to leave or step away and always chalked it up to male testosterone gone awry. And I'm a woman, not a big guy.
ReplyDeleteSometimes it's just plain Southside mentality.
ReplyDeleteAddy,
ReplyDeleteThis type of stupidity doesn't happen with any regularity in Beverly. Now or ever.
So you obviously have some other agenda here.
Now east of Beverly yeah it happens. Which sucks for the people of those neighborhoods.
The people who live in Beverly whether black, white, or increasingly hispanic wouldn't put up with it.
This doesn't happen at the Agriculture School. I doubt it would happen at Morgan Park High School with any regularity and it would be overly generous to call 111th and Vincennes, Beverly. The location of MPHS.
If it did the people in that area would be screaming LOUDLY.
Trying to downplay this is wrong.
Now kids do stupid stuff, but they must be held accountable and punished when they do stupid stuff.
This type of "basic" activity is may be common in various places in the country, but that shouldn't mean we accept it.
Now kids could engage in this type of fighting 50 times with no major damage, but at some point a gun or a knife will come out. Perhaps later someone would retaliate in a drive by. Maybe some innocent walk or bikes into the middle of this and gets seriously hurt.
This crap about having to accept this because it may be worse elsewhere is just that, CRAP.
Helen Shiller complaining about this being some "there out to get me" conspiracy and downplaying it is also CRAP.
"Hell, IrishPirate compared to the Lockerbie bombing this is nothing. Remember the Omagh bombing in Northern Ireland? This is nothing". "Hell, even Richard Speck did more damage than this in a night. Of course this isn't nearly as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer."
Need I go on?
Now Shiller talked about "paths" in her extremely well written letter. It seems to me some of the kids involved in this "dance" have chosen the wrong path. Now either society tries to help them find the right path or they may end up dead or in prison.
That's truly one of the sad things here.
Saturday 9:30 pm. Just coming home from Wilson 'L' stop. Group of youth, males and females, loitering in front of residence just north of Magnolia and Sunnyside on west side of Magnolia. Just as I was walking by, two CPD cars showed up to break up the group. Glad to see they are paying attention.
ReplyDeleteIrish Pirate,
ReplyDeleteThis did happen with regularity in my neighborhood and I was around for several of the altercations so you can't tell me it didn't happen. The "gangs" were parishes which sounds non-threatening but they would fight one another if they couldn't find who they were looking for. This was Beverly and Morgan Park and there were racial confrontations as well. My point was that these videos don't deserve CNN coverage, not that they don't need to be addressed. They're fights. The fact that you think I have some hidden agenda is testament to the crazed way of thinking on this site. If someone isn't in hysterics or offers any other point of view they must work for Schiller.
addy-
ReplyDeleteI grew up in Beverly. I guess we hung out in different crowds. Regardless, I can say without a doubt, that the residents of Beverly would never have put up with this type of behavior. I could spend hours arguing with you about this issue, but it is not worth it.
REGARDLESS, who gives a s-it what is happening in other parts of the city or the country? This is where I live and this is not acceptable to me. Clearly there are many other people in the neighborhood who feel the same way. I have heard many times over that I should move to Lincoln Park if I do not like it. Perhaps if you do like gun fire, drug dealers and violence in the streets YOU should move back to Beverly or any of the other neighborhoods where this type of behavior is allegedly acceptable. Please let me know how violence in the street benefits ANYONE.
Addy,
ReplyDeleteYou're lying. Plain and simple.
Thanks for misspelling it as "schiller". Nicely played, but I don't buy it.
Right now your playing minor league ball. If you want to play with a "political operative" like me and a child of the South Side Irish you better step up your game. After all the world famous FGFM is sure I'm an "operative".
As for racial fights in Beverly/Morgan Park that would be true. Although, in fairness that crap largely ended around 1975 at least in the sense of anything similar to this video.
If anything happened like this in Beverly or most of Morgan Park today the blogs would be going crazy and the media would cover it.
Hell the local blogs in Beverly go crazy over single car break ins and go ballistic when a mugging occurs.
I'm not one of the folks who claim many people here have a hidden agenda, but "Addy" is an exception.
What's your agenda? Clearly that's a rhetorical question.
I'm not sure. Perhaps you're just a troll. Perhaps you're a Shillerista who wants to downplay the seriousness of crime in Uptown.
This reminds me of the video of the paid Shiller worker at the recent Truman meeting. "Things are 80 percent better".
Keep working hard to downplay the seriousness of these events.
It only brings closer the day when "Schiller" is no longer the alderman.
So endeth the lesson.
P.S.
What's that knock at the door? Could it be the political grim reaper looking for your patron?
Alas, poor "schiller" I knew her well".
Addy, you are part of the problem! Your appathetic outlook is why people get away with such behavior and it only escalates. If we as a community do not show our outrage over the fighting and demand something be done then it sends a signal that it is acceptable and to continue to do it. I hope to God you are not a parent! If so, you are probably one of those parents that teaches their children that it is ok to fight to solve problems. Your attitude sickens me. You are no better than the thugs on the streets fighting!
ReplyDeleteBTW, I teach high school in the North Lawndale community and yes I do see fights in the school and guess what happens if we just say "Oh that's kids for you. They're going to fight sometimes", the fighting gets worse and worse and people begin getting hurt (students and staff alike). At my school the students in most cases are arrested as they should be. I actually beleive that more needs to be done to students who fight. I believe that they should be expelled from school immediately. Their behavior only serves to disrupt students that want to learn and to have a safe place to get an education. The students who are not the gang bangers and general all around thugs even say that those who fight need to be expelled.
It is time as a society the we say enough is enough and take our streets and schools back. I don't care that it happens other places and it may be worse. I live here and I demand that my community be family friendly and violence free. Yes, I do realize that every community has some crime, but that does not mean I just have to roll over and say "Oh well, that's just the way it goes."
CNN and other news outlets are covering it because it demonstrates how violence in our society begins and escalates. They are covering it because citizens have become outraged by the violence and the blanant disregard by elected officials to properly respond. If Ald. Shiller had responded properly and in a timely manner and shown concern for her community and constituents safety it would not have been covered by the media.
'Addy' seems to think there is some 'crazed thinking on this site'.
ReplyDeleteGee, I don't know, but maybe people get to be a tad 'crazed' when when gangs play out their criminal dance on a busy street at 9 o'clock on a weekday, and the Alderman's office has no response?
Oops....I guess it's just harmless "Fisticuffs".
Addy,
ReplyDeleteAs a lifelong Beverly resident I have NEVER encountered "gangs" from different parishes wielding knives and chains. Surprisingly enough, I also attended MPHS...no chains and knives there either; however, there certainly were occasional fights -- welcome to CPS.
As Irish Pirate said, residents of Beverly wouldn't put up with that sort of thing happening in the ward...and while I'm no fan of her, Ginger Rugai wouldn't either.
As an update to my comment -- that isn't too say that Uptown residents are taking what is going on in Uptown lightly...more of a comment to Addy about Beverly.
ReplyDeleteAddy:
ReplyDeleteWhat happens when one of the gangs in the video approaches a 10 or 12 year old kid and tells them they have to join their gang for "protection"? Bang. They have another recruit.
Multiply that over and over again and you have bigger and stronger gangs.
I too could say to bad for the neighbors that are inconvenienced by these fights. But no neighbors got hurt.
But what I'm really bothered the most by is that impressionable children get recruited into these gangs because the seek protection from within the gang. Before you know it, tragic things happen.
I've read her letter. It was weak on support of her constitutents and watery on details on how to deal with this. This woman has been an alderman for almost 20 years and she says, "I do not have a solution for urban crime and violence."
How many "magic bullets" will it take and how many innocent people will be cut down before Shiller wakes up and starts listening to the people?
Sad. Absolutely sad.
Someone I know is tracking all the deaths of innocent children gunned down in gang crossfire in Chicago. I liken your attitude to when Hitler began his attack on the Jews. Many Americans knew full well what was happening in Europe. Some people called it hysteria. Looking back we now call it a Holocaust.
Isn't it funny how we tollerate these gangs? They indescrimately kill and maim. They rob. They cheat innocent children of their childhood.
How sad Shiller isn't directing her anger at the gangs.
Addy:
ReplyDeleteI pay taxes that pay for police and law enforcement so stuff like this doesn't happen.
So whether I live in Galesburg or Chicago I am not putting up with it.
You are part of the problem.
And it does deserve CNN coverage it's about time the World sees what is happening Chicago with the lack of leadership we have.
Addy I don't know but CNN is in the news business, and last I checked were more profitable than any of the local news outlets so I think I would leave it to them to decide what types of stories and videos to run on their station.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest the Beverly/Morgan Park aspect of this conversation come to an end.
ReplyDeleteThe commentator "BULLSHIT" has just taken the conversation to a whole "nother" planet.
NO gangs, gentrified south and west sides, five people murdered in a Caddy outside a high school and no media coverage...........oh yeah.........this is bizarro alternative universe stuff.
I have three words "off his meds".
Now if you will excuse me I have a glass of "medicine" in front of me.
Please forward this video (or links) to the media sources that did such a great job covering the previous situation.
ReplyDeleteThis makes for great follow-up stories - highlighting that Shiller still has done nothing.
I saw a story on the news on Friday night of a shooting on the South Side. The Alderman from the Ward was out AT THE CRIMESCENE TALKING TO THE POLICE AND THEN WALKING AND TALKING WITH THE MEDIA ON THE SPOT!!
I think not only do these kids need to be held accountable for their actions, their parents should too. Maybe then some parents may wake up and realize they really should care who their kids are hanging out with and what they are doing...I really believe it starts with parents - the socioeconomic factors is a poor excuse for poor parenting. I get it's a cycle that is hard to break but perhaps parenting courses for those that want to break the cycle in their lives would be beneficial. I can't tell you how often I see a "parent" who is practically a child himself or herself yanking around their young kid/s throwing the f-bomb all over and worse. What does all that teach the kids?? How do you think they'll act when they get older and when they have kids?
ReplyDeleteHow about the family standing on the street in the middle of this fight. I know that I would be scared for my safety and the safety of my child if I were in the middle of this. Guns or no guns inflicting this type of fear into people is just plain WRONG. The reason that crime has increased and overall morals and behavior have worsened is because of the lack of community. People seeing people doing bad things but being afraid to say anything or becoming complacent with the bad behavior is what perpetuates this type of activity. We MUST start communicating that this behavior is unacceptable. Thanks for posting the video!
ReplyDeleteApparently the commenter who called himself "Bullshit" has been deleted.
ReplyDeleteIt was dere. I swear it.
It's not like I had too much wiskey or sumtin.
the police use this so if you film please zoom in on some faces so we can ID the gang bangers.
ReplyDeleteUH OH HELEN! Here is another one! Your community is stepping up and bringing these violent crimes to your doorstep. Do something about it! Of course you will probably only post another hastily written, misguided letter belittling these crimes marking them as "normal".
ReplyDeleteWell done Helen. Well done.
These fights are your basic fights that happen in high schools and neighborhoods all over the country.
ReplyDeleteSo what? Are you telling people to just accept it and do nothing? What, if any, is your point? I grew up for a while on the south side as well, and went to school in the Beverly area and NEVER saw mass fighting in the street, so I don't know where you got that info.
If you can sit in your window and observe this activity and just shrug your shoulders, then you're a more tolerant person than me and I'm pretty tolerant most of the time. I don't want to have to fight through thugs with nothing better to do that fight in the street in broad daylight. I couldn't blame anyone for moving from the area now because they can't get in or out of their front door because a bunch of idiots decided to fight in the street over...something. Who the hell knows. Even if you're point that "this happens all over the country" was true, wouldn't you like to see it stop. There comes a time when the disregard for everyone else in a community has to come to an end. That time is now.
First of all, IP, you seem to fancy yourself a detective but, unfortunately, you're wrong about my lying. In fact, it seem ridiculous to argue with any of you who want to dispute my experiences. I lived in Bev./MP from the 60-80's so good for you if you had a different experience.
ReplyDeleteMy point is that I've witnessed this a lot and, no, I never said we should sit around or shrug our shoulders or not be concerned. I've worked with a lot of groups around the city for various causes and I just happen to think you can get more done with a cooler, calmer head. It's not addressed to everyone and I'm sure you don't care who I'm addressing it to. I think there's hysteria and I'm entitled to think that and to add that just like you're entitled to be hysterical or to think I have some other agenda.
Addy,
ReplyDeleteI'm too busy SHRIEKING right now while "detecting" to answer your response objectively.
You're entitled to the opinion that the activity on these videos "is basic".
You're not entitled to "facts".
Parishes fighting one another. PLEASE.
Try harder next time.
Go back to whatever history of Chicago you are reading and see if you can distort something else.
This type of gang-crap happening in the middle of the day on Sheridan Road means that these guys feel empowered to do so. If there was a strong voice coming out of Alderman Shiller's office saying "GANG VIOLENCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED." and she speaks with one voice with the police, they will go elsewhere. This is what happens when you have a hippie in office who makes excuses for such anti-social behavior, and yes, this is unbelievebly ironic that this crap is happening in front of Alternatives. Thank you gangs for helping us not get the olympics..I guess there's one bright spot!
ReplyDeleteThey showed this video on CBS news at 5 today.
ReplyDeleteDid the police even get out of their cars?
ReplyDelete