tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post8727365256394994201..comments2024-03-23T09:42:36.833-05:00Comments on Uptown Update: Affordable Housing MarchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-74873124473942433632009-11-20T22:31:00.380-06:002009-11-20T22:31:00.380-06:00As someone noted, there's an abundance (dispro...As someone noted, there's an abundance (disproportionately so) of 'affordable' housing and social services here in Uptown.<br />And Wilson Yard adds a whole lot more. The big picture, isn't getting any brighter.<br />If thriving new, or existing local businesses are an indicative 'pulse' of a neighborhood's health, then Uptown has suffered a stroke.<br /><br />More affordable housing?? How about an L-Stop that isn't vomit inducing, or an intersection that doesn't come to a halt due to banging thugs. Now THAT'S a march I'd join.Starck Madhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608390964188305181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-20128753734985649552009-11-20T20:46:41.993-06:002009-11-20T20:46:41.993-06:00Titlting at windmills...
...and not ever, ever da...Titlting at windmills...<br /><br />...and not ever, ever daring to bite the hand that "feeds" you...<br /><br />Clearly it has done soooo much to affect change and bring this community together around common ideals. <br /><br />In the infamous words of the great Tim Gunn: "carry on!" But when you are still protesting 10 years hence, don't say that no one ever suggested you might want to consider an alternative approach.Sassyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07023321034518238290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-1072963910717443032009-11-20T17:15:28.734-06:002009-11-20T17:15:28.734-06:00"Keep your mouth shut because you got no solu..."Keep your mouth shut because you got no solutions to offer."<br /><br /><br />Since some people can't read, I'll repeat what I said,<br /><br />"You wanna talk about more affordable housing? Fine lets have a respectful debate, otherwise if you wanna make more snarky comments about the poor and disabled: Keep your mouth shut because you got no solutions to offer."Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11756422221283108947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-79740871218900441312009-11-20T16:28:21.697-06:002009-11-20T16:28:21.697-06:00"But, to be a devils advocate, residents of U..."But, to be a devils advocate, residents of Uptown have as much right to call for more subsidized housing here as others have to make their political demands."<br /><br />True, but......isn't Wilson Yard basically providing just that?EDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17015432761364145623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-5228694418970618952009-11-20T16:09:47.083-06:002009-11-20T16:09:47.083-06:00"Keep your mouth shut because you got no solu..."Keep your mouth shut because you got no solutions to offer."<br /><br />Josh, you really don't GET the concept of a discussion board, do you?Caring Neighborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462466012844084710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-87510930543848552009-11-20T15:56:35.565-06:002009-11-20T15:56:35.565-06:00miss kitty, the march was held in Uptown for no pa...miss kitty, the march was held in Uptown for no particular reason other than Uptown is where all the marchers currently call home. Some of them do stay in the shelters here and some are renting housing here but in really crappy buildings like the Men's club or the Foswyn. A large group of participants also came from the Lawrence House and they were calling for better quality housing as well. And no one is saying it all needs to be in Uptown, so lay off it already. But, to be a devils advocate, residents of Uptown have as much right to call for more subsidized housing here as others have to make their political demands.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173712914081376243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-16826619313410263842009-11-20T15:26:24.004-06:002009-11-20T15:26:24.004-06:00Raych - I was referring to the numerous groups (go...Raych - I was referring to the numerous groups (good and bad) that demand more and more affordable housing in Uptown all the time. I have nothing against Mercy.<br /><br />Sean claims these folks weren't asking for more affordable housing in Uptown. Why then did the hold their rally in Sheridan Park? <br /><br />Sean, affordable housing (my, I don't really like using that term as Shiller has bastardized it so much) is definitely needed, but is it ALL needed within the confines of the 46th ward?miss kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838853679955521645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-40194962368517424802009-11-20T14:49:59.847-06:002009-11-20T14:49:59.847-06:00Miss Kitty- I wasn't calling you, personally a...Miss Kitty- I wasn't calling you, personally a callous douchebag. Re-read the post. What I said was "the other side sounds like callous douchebags." I did not say "are callous douchebags." <br /><br />You missed the whole point - which was that making snarky comments don't help - they divide. The things that are said here create a perception of the people who write them. <br /><br />Looks like Josh wrote it out a little more eloquently than I did :)<br /><br />And just out of curiosity...if you weren't referring to any of the groups you mentioned...then who WERE you referring to?Raychhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056074242522669807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-48619030437485351942009-11-20T14:37:28.975-06:002009-11-20T14:37:28.975-06:00miss kitty, no one was demanding more affordable h...miss kitty, no one was demanding more affordable housing in Uptown, just more affordable housing. And what is wrong with that? Seems a lot of condo owners came to Uptown for the affordable housing as well (and there is nothing wrong with that either).Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173712914081376243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-44259172483915882322009-11-20T13:54:40.020-06:002009-11-20T13:54:40.020-06:00Raych - pick apart the term "these people&quo...Raych - pick apart the term "these people" as much as you want. I wasn't directing it at Mercy in particular, or any type of person - race, income, blah, blah, blah... but you can think what you want.<br /><br />I am pretty damn sick of people demanding more "affordable housing" in Uptown when we already have more than any other ward around us. Its ignorant to think we can handle more.<br /><br />And yes, my typo. Thank you Raych for calling us with different opinions callous douchebags. I really appreciate that.miss kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838853679955521645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-40649959793182452962009-11-20T13:36:26.278-06:002009-11-20T13:36:26.278-06:00Reading some of the comments here, its no wonder w...Reading some of the comments here, its no wonder why I'm not so sure Shiller will lose in the next election. All she has to do is:<br /><br />1)Make another flyer with some of these comments <br /><br />2)Argue the affluent and "Uptown Update crowd" don't want minority and poor people to have a home in the neighborhood and guess what: <br /><br />3)She wins.<br /><br />Its a scummy underhanded tactic just like some of your stuck up comments but sadly it works.<br /><br />Its a shame safety issues like crime and issues like housing has turning into comments like<br /><br />"Just a thought but if they spent time working like most people do at 2 PM in the afternoon maybe they would be able to afford housing..."<br /><br />I do believe there is a segment of people who don't want condos or people of means in this place and thats wrong but I believe that there are some of you who post here don't want poor or minority people here period. Everyone, poor or successful has a right here. No one except the criminals should be told to leave.<br /><br />You wanna talk about more affordable housing? Fine lets have a respectful debate, otherwise if you wanna make more snarky comments about the poor and disabled: Keep your mouth shut because you got no solutions to offer.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11756422221283108947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-14019040386859450842009-11-20T12:21:17.734-06:002009-11-20T12:21:17.734-06:00Miss Kitty- I'm assuming this was a typo "...Miss Kitty- I'm assuming this was a typo "Hey Raych - sorry you feel the need to classify people who do see a need for even more low income housing in the 46th Ward as callous douchebags." and that you meant that I was calling people who don't see a need for more low income housing callous douchebags.<br /><br />I get that you're frustrated. But the snarky comments about Mercy Housing residents does come off poorly. Most of them, like TSN stated, don't have the ability to hold a job. Because of that, some of the comments on this post come off as ignorant and yes, callous.<br /><br />Go ahead and vent your frustration about Shiller. I get it - she sucks at her job. I don't necessarily disagree with you on that point. But statements like "These people" does create an Us vs. Them mentality and to deny that is to really miss the point.Raychhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056074242522669807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-6028756587758856572009-11-20T10:49:16.537-06:002009-11-20T10:49:16.537-06:00Hey, at least none of the marchers had to take the...Hey, at least none of the marchers had to take the day off from work to attend!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370561116828783588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-47982468274716386492009-11-20T10:46:43.270-06:002009-11-20T10:46:43.270-06:00What is the difference between staged and organize...What is the difference between staged and organized? This march was organized by a combined effort of ONE and the EZRA center and a few other providers and driven by those who have a need for affordable housing. It was held in the afternoon when a lot of the clients in need of housing are normally receiving services at the different agencies involved. And the Alderman was invited but did not respond. She had nothing to do with it. It was not a specific demand for more affordable housing in Uptown, just more affordable housing period. Most of those in need of a decent place they could rent with their $674 a month in SSI could care less if it were in Uptown or elsewhere as long as it wasn't somewhere completely foreign to them (or a real shithole). People can whine all they want about homeless disabled people feeling entitled to a decent place to live or that they should get a job and take care of themselves (God knows there are sooo many jobs for unskilled labor out there) but this is still America and these guys also have a right to march and take part in the political process. This march also had a lot to do with teaching disenfranchised people how to empower themselves to speak up for their needs. Yeah, maybe to most it was a silly march that won't result in any real change or actions, but it did make those participating feel good about taking part in something important to them and advocating for themselves.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173712914081376243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-9173937977651680662009-11-20T09:29:24.761-06:002009-11-20T09:29:24.761-06:00Hey Raych - sorry you feel the need to classify pe...Hey Raych - sorry you feel the need to classify people who do see a need for even more low income housing in the 46th Ward as callous douchebags.<br /><br />The "entitlement" comment I made stems from the feeling that every time people complain that more low income housing is needed, they get the alderman's ear and she will get it for them.<br /><br />When other people in the ward demand responsible development, she turns her back.<br /><br />I don't think my entitlement comment divides the ward - Shiller does that well enough on her own.miss kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838853679955521645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-15007778398446951922009-11-20T09:14:58.812-06:002009-11-20T09:14:58.812-06:00Ray,
If you can't understand the difference b...Ray,<br /><br />If you can't understand the difference between someone who chooses to rent out their private property and someone who commits a crime then you need to take a basic course in ethics.<br /><br />A landlord and a murderer are not ethically the same.WindyCityEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03693341552888434459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-72743166349229547112009-11-20T06:05:21.900-06:002009-11-20T06:05:21.900-06:00TSN....OOOPPSS I did not read the story just the t...TSN....OOOPPSS I did not read the story just the title.To Be Named Laterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170157840149492574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-47305774429952659162009-11-19T22:33:13.429-06:002009-11-19T22:33:13.429-06:00TSN,
You crazy pinko commie....
I agree with you...TSN,<br /><br />You crazy pinko commie....<br /><br />I agree with you. ;-)<br /><br />I would also march in solidarity with Shiller for affordable housing at the Michael Reese site!It's Obama's Faulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02471177475479988262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-84551547831302537372009-11-19T22:32:06.260-06:002009-11-19T22:32:06.260-06:00Does anyone know what transpired at the 'lunch...Does anyone know what transpired at the 'lunch at the Carlton Lounge' after the march?<br />This seems more like a 'passion play' procession so to speak...something quite staged.Starck Madhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608390964188305181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-84800287190825899812009-11-19T22:29:39.092-06:002009-11-19T22:29:39.092-06:00Um, isn't there a HUGE new affordable housing ...Um, isn't there a HUGE new affordable housing building going up at Wilson Yard?Colleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13112823215723818361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-25078669771802472752009-11-19T21:57:42.032-06:002009-11-19T21:57:42.032-06:00"if they spent time working like most people ..."if they spent time working like most people do at 2 PM in the afternoon..."<br /><br />Come on now.<br /><br />You don't see a lot of people in Mercy Housing who have the ability to hold a job (especially in this economy). We're talking about the physically and mentally challenged, the chronically ill, the working poor. If you've got PTSD, if you're in chronic pain, if you're a paranoid schizophrenic, if you get $800 a month from social security, if you're mentally challenged, especially if you don't have a family, how do you live WITHOUT places like Mercy?<br /><br />Even if you're able to work, if you have a history of drug or alcohol abuse, or are recently out of prison, how do you compete against people in an economy where there are five applicants for every job opening?<br /><br />There is a place for affordable housing in this society, and I'm glad we're not like third world countries that leave people like this out on the streets to die or be prey. However, as I said before, affordable housing doesn't doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be, concentrated in just a few chosen communities while others provide virtually none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-87885916666367247212009-11-19T20:58:12.030-06:002009-11-19T20:58:12.030-06:00Just a thought but if they spent time working like...Just a thought but if they spent time working like most people do at 2 PM in the afternoon maybe they would be able to afford housing...To Be Named Laterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170157840149492574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-40646321790727203272009-11-19T18:35:21.628-06:002009-11-19T18:35:21.628-06:00I agree with you, TrumanSquare Neighbor. Affordabl...I agree with you, TrumanSquare Neighbor. Affordable housing "YES"! perpetuating the city's sorry-ass excuse for affordable housing policy "NO"!<br /><br />This videotaped march is just more Uptown political theater.<br /><br />I wonder if someone could tell me why they didn't host the rally down at the Michael Reese hospital site? The city supposedly bought that land to be used for affordable housing. How many of us really believe that new affordable units will be built on that site in the near future? Now that would have been a march!!! <br /><br />I'd go and hold Helen's hand and chant and everything. Sorry but until the affordable housing crowd grows some 'nads, I'm calling BS.Sassyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07023321034518238290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-54943218497311917932009-11-19T18:28:01.795-06:002009-11-19T18:28:01.795-06:00Exactly right Miss Kitty. No one would be around ...Exactly right Miss Kitty. No one would be around to oppose their march. They can tape the march, and then it can be used by Helen to present her case to develop those two plots of land (which are in the TIF boundaries) into more subsidized housing. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong here. I'm not against subsidized housing. I am for sound urban planning. And adding more subsidized housing into this area which is already around 25%+ subsidized is NOT sound urban planning.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09703058816729352495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-74795117454308877572009-11-19T17:55:33.016-06:002009-11-19T17:55:33.016-06:00I have no opinion on this march but it's prett...I have no opinion on this march but it's pretty funny to see the same people who have their own protests about changing the neighborhood tell others "move somewhere else if you don't like it the way it is."<br /><br />They say if you don't like the crime then you should move.<br /><br />You say if you don't like the rent rates then you should move.<br /><br />As always one side sounds like they don't care about the well being of the neighborhood and the other side sounds like callous douchebags. We should all be working together to better the ward- not widening the gap by saying things like "THESE PEOPLE have quite a sense of entitlement."Raychhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056074242522669807noreply@blogger.com