tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post8660184335863153336..comments2024-03-23T09:42:36.833-05:00Comments on Uptown Update: Just DanceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-32317309306166933912009-06-26T21:19:45.428-05:002009-06-26T21:19:45.428-05:00Just to throw this one out there: Riddle me this ...Just to throw this one out there: Riddle me this - How many of you have walked just north of this bus stop past the alley and noted that it always smells of an unclean port-a-john that's been pissed all over from one end to the next? That alley is like an open sewer. And WHAT happens if you try to report it to the Alderman's office or to the City via 311? Nothing. 311's excuse? It's the PROPERTY OWNER responsibility to maintain their premises. At last check - that alley belonged to the City of Chicago. Does anyone have any insight into this?PassiveReflexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06596016001049747211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-80444532905045029152009-06-24T21:16:36.119-05:002009-06-24T21:16:36.119-05:00Sometimes eating at Jake's is like being part ...Sometimes eating at Jake's is like being part of an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks" rel="nofollow">Edward Hopper</a> painting.<br /><br />It's not a bar and the food is good. Most of the employees have been there for years.<br /><br />Stop in for an ice cream.<br /><br />Here is a review of <a href="http://uptownavenger.blogspot.com/2007/06/only-rooster-can-get-better-piece-of.html" rel="nofollow">Jake's</a> by a best selling author.IrishPiratehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11339255909419333238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-22357465343685090792009-06-24T19:33:29.779-05:002009-06-24T19:33:29.779-05:00gayle, are you insinuating that 'good' peo...gayle, are you insinuating that 'good' people don't go to 'taverns'? wow, i don't know what to write in response to that...shocking. get off the overly simplistic stereotypes and THINK before you write.My Cat is My Avatarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14070230247330466753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-57458844458501886732009-06-24T19:29:17.708-05:002009-06-24T19:29:17.708-05:00Mark, Jake's is not a dive bar nor a bar at al...Mark, Jake's is not a dive bar nor a bar at all. You should go in and try the broasted, it's fantastic and the owners/workers are sweet.My Cat is My Avatarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14070230247330466753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-75304935698128568502009-06-24T15:37:04.741-05:002009-06-24T15:37:04.741-05:00I like Andy. :) breath of fresh airI like Andy. :) breath of fresh airWeekendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073311651684378011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-30739202208753508382009-06-24T13:16:23.238-05:002009-06-24T13:16:23.238-05:00Keep up the good work Andy.Keep up the good work Andy.Snekihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519347630793489082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-72792311902286521172009-06-23T23:36:25.768-05:002009-06-23T23:36:25.768-05:00I don't have all the answers, and I don't ...I don't have all the answers, and I don't take most of the ridiculousness seriously that goes on. I have, however, waited for a bus and innocently tolerated someone who was just "dancing" until they asked me for money, began yelling and threatening me, etc. I just walked away, because I could. Maybe next time I or one of my neighbors won't be so lucky. <br /><br />Bottom line, if it ain't legal I call the police, give them all my information and the suspected criminal's, and usually wait close by for action. They are quick and they tend to do their jobs well. <br /><br />And honestly, I have been arrested for public intox, in college walking home, and was thrown in the drunk tank for half a day. I've never gone back because it was the worst experience of my life. For these people it might be a vacation compared to life, and I get that.<br /><br />I'm fine with anonymous bloggers laughing at how seriously I sometimes take my neighborhood cleanliness, safety and general atmosphere of respect for everyone's public and private spaces. But I do, so laugh at me for giving a shit and trying to contribute something to a constructive dialogue. Peace out.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00575783979322478193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-46502608573141630272009-06-23T20:42:45.286-05:002009-06-23T20:42:45.286-05:00my wife said that as she was walking home tonight ...my wife said that as she was walking home tonight from the Wilson el stop, she passed the A+ Market on Sheridan. As she was walking by, she saw a woman come out of the store, drop her pants, and relieve herslef right there on the sidewalk. So Candice, you're okay with this, because "Where else would you have them go", right?J2Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00944789862986041634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-71717537789960137542009-06-23T15:42:43.680-05:002009-06-23T15:42:43.680-05:00This aint your college campus sweetieThis aint your college campus sweetieupsboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15005754838904040619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-48123625294780077312009-06-23T10:16:16.238-05:002009-06-23T10:16:16.238-05:00Here's the thing about this that really annoys...Here's the thing about this that really annoys me. Who are the bus shelters and seats made for? And who is using them?<br /><br />At one of my regular bus stops, in the SOUTHERN part of the ward, in Lakeview, the bus bench that had been there forever went away a couple years ago. When I asked why, it was because it had been being used as a crash pad by drunks and aggressive panhandlers and the neighbors requested that it be removed. Three things about this.<br /><br />* First, I'm disabled. I HAVE to take the bus because the lovely Uptown el stations aren't configured for me and I can't climb up the stairs. Either I drive downtown and pay $30 to park or I take the bus.<br />*Second, even though the bus benches were put there for people like me, they're no longer there for people like me because people like Drinking Don or Dancing Dora have taken them over and it's easier to remove the benches than to free them for the people who they were created to assist.<br />*Third, why is it that in Uptown part of the 46th ward, we're called uncaring if we want the benches for the elderly and disabled rather than the mentally ill, but in the Lakeview part of the 46th ward, the neighbors complain and the benches disappear?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-13469359481273019672009-06-23T09:31:46.991-05:002009-06-23T09:31:46.991-05:00Or tell them that there are places for them to go,...Or tell them that there are places for them to go, called "taverns," where previous generations of neighborhood "characters" would drink and dance, out of sight and out of mind of the "good" people.gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15215087286122238853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-7594828992015106902009-06-23T08:33:15.398-05:002009-06-23T08:33:15.398-05:00NM: The point you're missing is arresting peo...NM: The point you're missing is arresting people isn't about doing it one time, removing them from the streets for 3 hours, and away they go to drink again. It's about consistently enforcing so that it's 3 hours every time. If you consistently and frequently do this, eventually it will change behavior.Snekihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519347630793489082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-25197308603798000422009-06-23T07:36:55.628-05:002009-06-23T07:36:55.628-05:00Candice, I agree with you. It doesn't bother m...Candice, I agree with you. It doesn't bother me any and besides, I've grown quite used to it. <br /><br />I part ways with you in a desire to do something about it. A parent having to avoid certain streets in her own neighborhood when she's walking with her child bothers me. I wonder if that bothers you?just wonderinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527021983888029704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-39850193788034029722009-06-23T06:59:26.774-05:002009-06-23T06:59:26.774-05:00Chip,
My point is this is a citywide, countrywide,...Chip,<br />My point is this is a citywide, countrywide, worldwide problem. What to do with the homeless. And 3 hours in lock-up on a city charge is not a deterrent to stop this behavior. If anything they get a meal out of it.Nadmenny Millicenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631824951480560140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-62934637205315002202009-06-22T23:23:25.894-05:002009-06-22T23:23:25.894-05:00Like many said Candice, invite them to your own da...Like many said Candice, invite them to your own damn house. And yes, they bug the shit out of me, especially when I'm paying property taxes twice a year. <br /><br />And to Ron, cut more funding. Hasn't f'ing helped yet. Unless you call pissing gov't money away progress.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04671179004709007182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-31391365628508951602009-06-22T22:42:20.782-05:002009-06-22T22:42:20.782-05:00The answer is not jail for these people but if cau...<i>The answer is not jail for these people but if caught drinking in the public way the beer should be dumped out. This will stop the behavior.</i> p<br /><br />I see these guys put the beer inside their coat when a cop car passes and once the cop car passes by, they go right back to drinking. On occasion when they're caught and the cop has them empty their can, they go get another can of beer when the cop leaves. <br /><br />Stopping some of the enabling behavior that allows them to keep drinking is probably part of the answer. Some of these social services enable their drinking and so it continues.holy moleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18006600794546900502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-75393980001726796562009-06-22T22:15:15.534-05:002009-06-22T22:15:15.534-05:00I live around the corner from this outdoor dive ba...I live around the corner from this outdoor dive bar and have written numerous letters to the alderman about it - to no avail. I wish I had a solution to offer.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13502040927117492413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-80137412072562117642009-06-22T21:27:01.402-05:002009-06-22T21:27:01.402-05:00"The answer is not jail for these people but ...<i>"The answer is not jail for these people but if caught drinking in the public way the beer should be dumped out. This will stop the behavior."</i> p<br /><br />I haven't seen that approach work. Police have these guys pour out their beer all the time. The cop leaves and they get more beer. I don't see this happening on the main streets of the 3 wards surrounding the 46th and I'm presuming it's because the aldermen there put the onus on the social services to do a better job of monitoring their clients.holy moleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18006600794546900502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-4688626492892339852009-06-22T20:55:50.712-05:002009-06-22T20:55:50.712-05:00Enforcing the law will alter behavior. It does ev...Enforcing the law will alter behavior. It does every single day.<br /><br />The idea that your phone call to 911 won't change anything is wrong. Humans will continue to do what they can get away with. They will delay confronting the very circumstances they create that open the windows to more malicious behavior.<br /><br />The Chicago Police can enforce the law all over CTA property. You do NOT have to contact CTA police to report crime occurring in and around CTA property.<br /><br />Call the police. Report accurate descriptions of the parties. Leave your name.<br /><br />You won't improve your neighborhood if you remain silent.Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571006818155115377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-8033485006248562402009-06-22T20:40:21.085-05:002009-06-22T20:40:21.085-05:00With all due respect Nadmenny we do not live in th...With all due respect Nadmenny we do not live in those other areas you mentioned we live in Uptown. That argument is moot.<br /><br />As far as solving the problem that to does not lie on our shoulders. That comes first with personal responsibility then with elected officials and then if that is lacking it comes from our judicial system. I have no intentions of adopting a crackhead, or taking a drunk to work, or playing Parcheesi with a pedophile. When I call 911 or 311 I expect my tax dollars to be respected along with my judgment.<br /><br />Trust me this "crying wolf" that you see is an aberration. I personally call 911 about 1/50th of the times I could and probably should.chipdouglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00827669478369792692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-38774755973114212052009-06-22T18:39:45.427-05:002009-06-22T18:39:45.427-05:00SOYLENT GREEN
Nuff SaidSOYLENT GREEN<br /><br />Nuff SaidNadmenny Millicenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631824951480560140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-75847168221881744972009-06-22T18:37:25.994-05:002009-06-22T18:37:25.994-05:00Oy. The problem is not if people drink at bus sto...Oy. The problem is not if people drink at bus stops, or dance/puke/piss/what have you in public, on occasion.<br /><br />The problem is the persistence of such behavior, and the concentration thereof in this area.<br /><br />And the negative effect this behavior has on the community as a whole.<br /><br />Some folks may not be bothered by it, but some people are.<br /><br />We spend an awful lot of money to help the needy, and this particular part of the city has a higher than average concentration of such service. <br /><br />Where are the results?<br /><br />From my vantage, I don't see my tax dollars as being used effectively if I have to step over someone who is passed out drunk, or have to wade through beer cans and empty whiskey bottles.<br /><br />Many times, the not-so-needy are forced to make sacrifices to help those in need and what do those folks get in return?<br /><br />Trash, feces, urine and other examples of unpleasantness strewn about the streets.<br /><br />Not to mention the abhorrent behavior and crime that runs hand in hand with such.<br /><br />No one is asking for shangrala, but an occasional demonstration of respect for oneself and one's neighbors as well as some thoughtfulness to the surrounding community wouldn't hurt.<br /><br />And, when it comes right down to it, is that too much ask?<br /><br />No.yohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07400816063541009591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-7139244216479896852009-06-22T18:00:52.070-05:002009-06-22T18:00:52.070-05:00The answer is not jail for these people but if cau...The answer is not jail for these people but if caught drinking in the public way the beer should be dumped out. This will stop the behavior.phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429582679025315718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-52237883240831601322009-06-22T16:59:05.328-05:002009-06-22T16:59:05.328-05:00Arresting people for drinking in public only remov...Arresting people for drinking in public only removes them for about 3 hours, that's it not any longer than that. It doesn't solve the problem just takes it out of view for awhile. <br /><br />The only thing arrest might do is push them to another location to kill time all day.<br /><br />And Uptown is not the only place this happens. I was around Irving, Cicero and Milwaukee there was homeless in numerous bus stops. Have any of you seen under the expressway at Belmont, talk about a shanty town.<br /><br />I don't have a answer to solve homelessness. Actually I do but UU wouldn't publish it. But, if someone does they would be a lock for a Nobel prize.Nadmenny Millicenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631824951480560140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-20745584487569671052009-06-22T16:42:55.124-05:002009-06-22T16:42:55.124-05:00"On a side note there are a lot of anonymous ..."On a side note there are a lot of anonymous 911 calls stating that there is drinking in the bus stops. As a way to get the police to respond. When in fact they are not drinking. This crying wolf is beginning to annoy the police"<br /><br />This is a quite a statement, without any statistics to back it up--what is your source for this info?EDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17015432761364145623noreply@blogger.com