tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post3677749681847317147..comments2024-03-23T09:42:36.833-05:00Comments on Uptown Update: "Shooters Just Arrested" (And The Names Are Familiar)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-47115050370718684582011-12-12T09:49:31.992-06:002011-12-12T09:49:31.992-06:00@Fred: Thanks for the helpful hints, but I noted ...@Fred: Thanks for the helpful hints, but I noted that you don't live in Uptown anymore. I'm truly sorry that you've lost friends and family to violence, but it looks to me like you may be one of those people who has lots of thoughts about what those of us who have a real stake in this neighborhood aren't doing "right" when you've conveniently walked away yourself. What are YOU doing to tell the gangbangers to stop the violence, buddy? It's real easy to watch a ball game on TV and rant about all the mistakes the home team made while losing the game...it's another thing entirely to put your fat behind out there and play the game YOURSELF. In other words, if you think you can do a better job, then move back here and do exactly what you think the rest of us who still live here should be doing. Lead by example. And "going out during nice weather" telling all the gang members to stop is already being done--it's called "positive loitering", except those of us who have to really work for a living and to pay taxes to keep all the CHA and Section 8 housing available for the gangs (not to mention the schools, school lunches, and LINK cards) can't be out on the street 24/7 to keep up with gangbangers.<br /><br />Toto got it right: we already pay through the noses in taxes, and many of us go beyond that by contributing scarce time and cash to help at-risk kids, and it obviously does no good. We aren't going to throw away everything WE have worked so hard for when we've bent over backwards to help and what we get in return is spat in the face. It's time to shut down the drug business of the gangs by shutting down the buildings that keep accomodating them. Look at it like the CPS "reconstituting" a failing school that can't manage to improve--shock therapy by getting rid of the whole lot and starting over again. I wouldn't feel bad at all if the Section 8 buildings got converted into actual money-making market-rate rentals...and the CHA buildings can be turned over to the City Colleges and converted into student housing.bear60640https://www.blogger.com/profile/04572732440461047198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-29689056620285733472011-12-11T23:37:06.268-06:002011-12-11T23:37:06.268-06:00Right. Sounds good in theory, but I don't pla...Right. Sounds good in theory, but I don't plan on being caught in the crossfire.<br /><br />We're all just going to circle round the banger and what, sing kum ba yah with them?Totohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10134095614798025301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-10930258434127473842011-12-11T23:27:24.205-06:002011-12-11T23:27:24.205-06:00As long as drugs are beig sold, the gangs are not ...As long as drugs are beig sold, the gangs are not going anywhere. The best solution is for you to assemble a group of people to go outside when the weather is nice & everyone is outside, approach all of the gang members about stopping the violence. This war has been going on for 20 years and its going to take some work but i can be doneFred Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814708494633815132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-21503723177215368182011-12-11T23:22:38.697-06:002011-12-11T23:22:38.697-06:00I'm darned tired of being told all the time ab...I'm darned tired of being told all the time about how "we" don't do enough for "them".<br /><br />1) Free public education until age 18 (and in some cases older).<br /><br />If you can't parent well enough to get your kid in school and keep them in school, what can we do for you? There are programs available for you and your child. After school programs, library, sports at the park district. <br /><br />2) Public Housing subsidies. Free or low cost. And once you're in, its nearly impossible to be evicted, no matter how bad you are.<br /><br />3) LINK cards for food.<br /><br />I pay my taxes gladly for these programs to support less fortunate individuals and families. But what's wrong with asking people supported by government to take responsibilty for their family's future by not engaging in reckless behavior that endangers all of us?<br /><br />I can't be the parents of these children. The parents have to step up to the plate here and do something to help themselves first. Then I will gladly support them with my tax dollars.Totohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10134095614798025301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-64493409649479275722011-12-11T23:14:41.029-06:002011-12-11T23:14:41.029-06:00Fred: I would get involved if I knew how, and coul...Fred: I would get involved if I knew how, and could do it safely. My question to you is (and is an honest question, not rhetorical), is there an appropriate way to get to know the gangs?lambertgotjobbedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15272153319928686434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-71643242977136364392011-12-11T22:46:58.321-06:002011-12-11T22:46:58.321-06:00@ Toto: I feel you but someone has to be a leader....@ Toto: I feel you but someone has to be a leader. Those type of people will not walk into a meeting or join a movement without being encouraged. It is an endless cycle.Fred Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814708494633815132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-46399810639571699262011-12-11T22:18:16.435-06:002011-12-11T22:18:16.435-06:00Fred: I'd like to see some of the gangs, pros...Fred: I'd like to see some of the gangs, prostitutes and homeless make an effort to get to know their neighbors and respect their neighbors too. <br /><br />They can do this by refraining from participating in criminal activity and refraining from selling drugs, selling their bodies and panhandling, engaging in public drunkenness, public urination, etc.<br /><br />They can come to community meetings too!<br /><br />Why are we who do not engage in these types of behaviors always blamed for not doing enough?Totohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10134095614798025301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-49772687630433440742011-12-11T22:15:25.021-06:002011-12-11T22:15:25.021-06:00@nugatory I was not pointing a finger directly at ...@nugatory I was not pointing a finger directly at you. I was speaking to everyone as a whole. Just how I feel.Fred Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814708494633815132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-69658068223690333282011-12-11T21:45:00.751-06:002011-12-11T21:45:00.751-06:00Fred, I have tried to get to know my Section 8 nei...Fred, I have tried to get to know my Section 8 neighbors. For that, I have been handsomely rewarded with mutterings of "crazy white lady" behind my back. And your suggestion that we are not active in the community is unfair. I suspect that I am more active in the community than the majority of people who live here. In addition to my involvement in the community, I also happen to contribute to the public discourse here on this blog. We are a neighborhood of strong opinions and varying degrees of community activism. If you want hybridisation of the community, then perhaps you might create a mechanism by which the crazy white ladies can get to know the non-gang youth. Until then, I don't really see it happening organically. I'm happy to tutor, mentor, and give free music lessons.nugatoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637801019572851028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-24992513244703212462011-12-11T21:14:28.299-06:002011-12-11T21:14:28.299-06:00I was born & raised in uptown. A lot of the pe...I was born & raised in uptown. A lot of the people on this site have spent a lot of money to live in an area that was already filled with hate & violence. I lived in Uptown from 1984 - 2002 & witnessed this area get new faces & a face lift. This is something that is only going to get worse. Uptown has too many different gangs & too many new comers. For years it has been that way & it will never change until the people writing on these blogs & people of wealth invest their own time & money to make a change. I lost many loved ones to violence in uptown. Stop the Violence marches every time a kid gets killed is not the solution! You have to become involved. I see the people here know people from the area by face & name, but do they know you? I think not! Why don't you get to know the people that have been here, the gang members, prostitutes, homeless, everyone! These are people too. If everyone communicated with each other and knew each other, i promise everything will get much better! Food for Thought.Fred Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814708494633815132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-10365780734993297452011-12-11T15:56:56.852-06:002011-12-11T15:56:56.852-06:00I hope my comment wasn't too offensive. I rea...I hope my comment wasn't too offensive. I really hope you post my free speech. If you choose not to I am going to be sad. If you need me to edit it send it back and I will try. Thank You.JWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741884984260820719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-7379980269729162882011-12-11T15:49:44.495-06:002011-12-11T15:49:44.495-06:00Anyone found to be in a gang shoud be thrown out o...Anyone found to be in a gang shoud be thrown out of their CHA house and have their government cheese taken away from them. No Help Anymore. Anyone who has more then 9 kids with different fathers should have to fend for themselves. Given a choice to have their tubes tied. If a CHA apartment opens it should be handed over to a homeless VET, someone between the age of 50-60. Urine Test for drugs should be RANDOM. If your doing drugs you get a choice to get help or get out. If you have 9 children they should all be given a shovel and have to shovel snow around the neighborhood or cut grass in the summer. This buisness of everyone who pays taxes to pay for this bullshit has got to stop. AND I'm A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. ALSO to you crybabies always watching what the cops are doing....Let the Police give these young kids a kick in the ass or a crack in the head when they need it. Let the police do their job without you assholes taking pictures of them or crying police brutality. If you want to change the neighborhood you have chosen to move into shut your mouths and start sticking up for the police 100% of the time when it comes to cases with these young boys who wear the WHITE Tee Shirts and sell drugs. Remember this YOU MOVED INTO UPTOWN. UPTOWN is a beast and has been a beast long before you came around. Let the Police Tame the Beast. Or bring in the Outfit in to clean things up. Yes the Outfit...the Mob. You folks sitting inside these goofie CAPS meetings crying like idiots is not going to solve things. Let the police work the old fashion way, and turn your head if you can't stand a little adjustment in life to those who really need it. I am not a police officer, but someone whos gradfather was. I am sorry if I sound mean, but I am angry at what this has come to. It sickens me to see our police officers have their hands tied when we know that these criminals would kill our men in blue without blinking their eyes....Or are you so dumb that you don't understand that? Wake Up People. Please WAKE UP. It all starts by adjusting your view of the police department by viewing them and someone who is YOUR body guard. Ask yourself if you had a bodyguard, and someone looked as if they were going to attack you; what would you have your body guard do? Well this is your neighborhood...look at your neighborhood as if it was your body, and the police are protecting your body.JWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741884984260820719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-58610208588088122982011-12-11T15:09:01.212-06:002011-12-11T15:09:01.212-06:00Sheridan and wilson is a 3rd world ghetto...one of...Sheridan and wilson is a 3rd world ghetto...one of the worst blocks in the city.Alekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03828029859097663933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-67707989162967847022011-12-11T14:44:05.647-06:002011-12-11T14:44:05.647-06:00Another shooting 4 am 4600 block of Broadway. Trib...Another shooting 4 am 4600 block of Broadway. Tribune forgets to mention that it's right where there was a 6 hour standoff on Monday....Kronoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07228597571300488655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-25239966818330137132011-12-11T13:06:02.706-06:002011-12-11T13:06:02.706-06:00"to use some subterfuge to enable the guilty ..."to use some subterfuge to enable the guilty to go free!!"<br /><br />Huh? What does this even mean? What evidence do you have that PD's do this?It's Obama's Faulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02471177475479988262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-58205648231361150802011-12-11T12:20:10.019-06:002011-12-11T12:20:10.019-06:00More on the arrests:
http://www.chicagotribune.co...More on the arrests:<br /><br />http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-4-questioned-in-connection-with-friday-night-saturday-morning-shootings-in-uptown-and-west-side-20111210,0,668501.storybear60640https://www.blogger.com/profile/04572732440461047198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-50511765049117743432011-12-11T09:26:34.895-06:002011-12-11T09:26:34.895-06:00Here is a Tribune article largely supporting the p...Here is a Tribune article largely supporting the posted account, but without naming names:<br /><br />http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-12-10/news/chi-4-questioned-in-connection-with-friday-night-saturday-morning-shootings-in-uptown-and-west-side-20111210_1_west-side-shooting-squad-car-shooting-friday-nightTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238968413488416378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-27485359643288304072011-12-10T23:47:48.439-06:002011-12-10T23:47:48.439-06:00Lambert, scroll down a couple items on UU's ma...Lambert, scroll down a couple items on UU's main page to read about the Zoning and Planning Development meeting on Thursday night to consider Sedgwick's latest attempt at a site plan.<br /><br />Apparently they have some kind of financial arrangement with the nuns who own the property to have first rights to develop it, and the alderman's office has not been approached by any other developers, so they have come back to the table with a different plan.<br /><br />Of course they claim they can only do it with TIF dollars, which seems to be the sticking point.<br /><br />I thought you were aware of the meeting two nights ago, which came to no conclusion and no vote about Sedgwick, when I responded to your comment about the community having sent Sedgwick packing. I apologize for not understanding that you were referring to the June meeting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-22101606663050529032011-12-10T21:56:20.811-06:002011-12-10T21:56:20.811-06:00The Sedgwick proposal isn't going to help with...The Sedgwick proposal isn't going to help with this any more than Wilson Yard did - and that's much closer. What baffling is how much inspection and regulations and hoops an individual has to go thru to become and remain a Section 8 LANDLORD, yet - for some reason - some organizations (with tax-exempt "not-for-profit" status, no less) get to go around all this. And the TENANTS don't have to answer to anyone.Kronoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07228597571300488655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-40546046545561296372011-12-10T19:35:07.195-06:002011-12-10T19:35:07.195-06:00Many very valid and good ideas here. Many of you f...Many very valid and good ideas here. Many of you folks have your thinking caps on, and my hat is off to you. Anyone who fires a gun on the street outside of legal self defense gets no sympathy from me.pepperspraycommandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417005538028036046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-76981196628396551012011-12-10T19:28:23.445-06:002011-12-10T19:28:23.445-06:00The Sedgewick proposal is an entirely different is...The Sedgewick proposal is an entirely different issue, just to state the obvious. Increased foottraffic does decrease crime...where the traffic is that is. That development however it works out will have no effect on the goings on at Sunnyside Mall for instance, just my guess.<br /><br />It is going to take a multiple number of strategies, some mentioned in this thread and others not mentioned. <br /><br />Engaging with the law-abiding residents and families closest to the problem is one way...alienating them by merely focusing on "shutting down" their building not so much. Of course they still want their landlords whoever they may be held accountable, ALMOST as much as they want a roof over their law-abiding heads.<br /><br />The National Guard are better at disaster remediation and convoy protection then urban policing, to their credit. <br /><br />But that is just my 2 shillings worth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11678683729454882322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-36961894391829658022011-12-10T19:18:09.972-06:002011-12-10T19:18:09.972-06:00Lambert - you beat me to the punch. The comments ...Lambert - you beat me to the punch. The comments left by Irish Pirate and Just Asking were unnecessary. Leave the bullying to the gangbangers.xavier_musketeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835571849484742967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-18644263342793318342011-12-10T18:28:07.807-06:002011-12-10T18:28:07.807-06:00I was wondering does anybody know what Ceasefire i...I was wondering does anybody know what Ceasefire is doing?Elehiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15498200589928011562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-8806890839152359562011-12-10T18:03:17.076-06:002011-12-10T18:03:17.076-06:00Irish Pirate and Just Asking: Quit with the person...Irish Pirate and Just Asking: Quit with the personal attacks. Seriously. So we have differing opinions on the matter, that's fine. But say what you don't like about my stance without resorting to personal shots. Our strategies are wide-ranging, but we're all on the same team here.<br /><br />My belief that a massive, upscale residential project would lead to decreased gang activity is grounded in time-tested, urban evolution. No, it's not a quick fix, and therefore I agree that there should be more immediate actions taken, too. But the influx of a large amount of capital and quality citizens tends to have very real (albeit amorphous and gradual) affects on reversing deviate behavior and ushering out gang bangers. We don't know exactly the shape that it will take, but it happens.<br /><br />Furthermore, the construction is a realistic solution that we can help push on a grassroots level. Legalizing crack, on the other hand, is simply not something that will be done (for what it's worth, I'm very much in favor of its legalization and regulation), and certainly not something that we have any control over.<br /><br />And for the record, I'm not involved in real estate and have no commercial interest in the matter.lambertgotjobbedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15272153319928686434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-26406237232684988152011-12-10T17:17:48.943-06:002011-12-10T17:17:48.943-06:00,,,,,No ripping on public defenders.
A scumbag ga...,,,,,No ripping on public defenders.<br /><br />A scumbag gangbanger still has his constitutional rights. His public defender is there to ensure these rights are upheld. NOT to use some subterfuge to enable the guilty to go free!!Anoun Amousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15427508594212651671noreply@blogger.com