tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post3481485774977923184..comments2024-03-23T09:42:36.833-05:00Comments on Uptown Update: What Now? What Next?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-82451179989509825512009-08-23T12:50:30.401-05:002009-08-23T12:50:30.401-05:00The gangs don't care about being PC, when a li...<i>The gangs don't care about being PC, when a <b>liberal</b> white voice speaks we are threathen.</i><br /><br />*sigh*yohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07400816063541009591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-82593236587190770442009-08-22T19:02:50.296-05:002009-08-22T19:02:50.296-05:00Emily,
I would recommend sending video directly t...Emily,<br /><br />I would recommend sending video directly to the three CBS 2 reporters who have done the recent stories: Kristyn Hartman, Dorothy Tucker or Mike Puccinelli. I don't know if you'll hear back from them or not, but it's worth a try. Although the only reason they started following the story in the first place is because of how much attention the first video received on the internet. <br /><br />I'm sure its not an easy decision. I hope you decide to post it. Regardless, take care and stay safe. If your video gets some media attention, the police may be forced to take some action.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09703058816729352495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-29378208257939886552009-08-22T13:03:15.104-05:002009-08-22T13:03:15.104-05:00Emily and others, this will go on and on, like it ...Emily and others, this will go on and on, like it has in places for decades.<br /><br />The police cannot do much. We are dealing with a mindset that has permeated a chunk of the public where...<br /><br />a) many behaviors that lead to worse behaviors are supposed to be tolerated,<br />b) people are fed up with the resulting violence,<br />d) if a cop touches one of these "kids" and the liberals find out, the WHOLE story will turn to how bad the police are,<br />e) the violence will continue (and maybe the violence will get worse),<br />f) after a few days, the story will flip back to the violence until another incident with a cop happens.<br /><br />This is what happened in the inner cities starting in the 60's. It's still going on.<br /><br />The videos are great because they bring attention to the problems, but until people wake up about the root issues, not much will be done to stop the problems.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104824378067592182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-23668552452506632672009-08-22T11:12:33.239-05:002009-08-22T11:12:33.239-05:00To all questions above--I have contacted all of th...To all questions above--I have contacted all of the local news media regarding the videos-have not heard back--It could be because I stated I did not wish to be identified. I am a single firl living alone. The gangs on my street already know that I have called the police on them and have tried to get involved. I was reviewing the number of letters that I sent to 23d district about the crime on my street, and the chance to talk with someone/show them my information. I have a total of 10 or more. That's not including the Neighborhood Concern our neighbors put in and was wiped off of the system. Oh-and by the way, there was a gang fight outside of my window today at 9:30 AM. I called 911. It is now 11:11 AM. The police still aren't here but the loitering continues.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11436076718088830168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-62905014608269085832009-08-21T16:08:21.333-05:002009-08-21T16:08:21.333-05:00True its aimed at all races.True its aimed at all races.DorothyParker007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12335896289011168986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-21490434340042941552009-08-21T15:23:24.499-05:002009-08-21T15:23:24.499-05:00The gangs don't care about being PC, when a li...<i>The gangs don't care about being PC, when a liberal white voice speaks we are threathen.</i><br /><br />I think when ANYBODY speaks out against the gangs they are threatened, regardless of race.Man On The Streethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811060909895247381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-8610431014800297292009-08-21T12:59:23.104-05:002009-08-21T12:59:23.104-05:00emily please publish the video, we need to keep a ...emily please publish the video, we need to keep a presence but safe.<br /><br />there are 2 parts to the equation when dealing with gangs, prevention and removal. <br /><br />As liberals we all are for prevention, family betterment and promoting education, but we also have to deal with the removal of gangs on our streets.<br /><br />Who the heck doesn't want young black youth to succeed, why wouldn't we, but black gang recruiters could care less if they go to prison or die. <br /><br />The gangs don't care about being PC, when a liberal white voice speaks we are threathen. We have the right to have a voice, it is the 21st century, we can be shot and killed, we get a voice and on the removal side of the equation we can not take into consideration the family background, we must just concentrate on the removal component and frankly its not about PC. It doesn't mean we are racist or any false tags we hear, but yes we are angry and won't take this crap anymore and we know to support the police.<br /><br />The gangs don't care about collateral damage.<br /><br />Black and latin men/gangs have murdered over 100 black/latin children in 1 yr 8 months, that is not something that we should ever tolerate.<br /><br />Be angry and remove the gangs from our street. <br /><br />Don't let another child be murdered.DorothyParker007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12335896289011168986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-76554259135788293142009-08-21T11:29:43.100-05:002009-08-21T11:29:43.100-05:00If you have video but are wary of posting it with ...If you have video but are wary of posting it with your name attached to it, please contact me.<br /><br />brennan - at - dudewithawebsite.comBrennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571006818155115377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-84086172111383493732009-08-21T10:53:46.918-05:002009-08-21T10:53:46.918-05:00I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm but it'...<i>I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm but it's not much help after the fact</i><br /><br />I think it would be helpful as far as determining a pattern for both the violent behavior experienced in Uptown, as well as a certain public officials seeming lack of interest in curbing gang violence.yohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07400816063541009591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-50097827801694020952009-08-21T10:05:49.252-05:002009-08-21T10:05:49.252-05:00There's really not much the the police can do ...There's really not much the the police can do with private citizens previously videotaped activity. I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm but it's not much help after the fact and it would be difficult to present that as evidence in a court of law. I think this issue came up at the last CAPS meeting.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05066555885429551674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-33433676548968616252009-08-21T10:01:34.493-05:002009-08-21T10:01:34.493-05:00Emily...have you considered sending your video to ...Emily...have you considered sending your video to the local TV stations? Considering their recent interest in the videotaped happenings in Uptown, you're video would seem to be of great interest to them. Did Ch. 2's Dorothy Tucker do the original story based on the other video? Why not send it to her? Or maybe one of the other stations wants to play catch-up and get in on the story. I;m sure they'd love the video. Posting it on a public video site like YouTube or something is great, but it doesn't guarantee that the news media will see it too.<br /><br />Also, isn't CNN doing something on Chicago violence? Man, that station LOVE getting free video from anyone, that "caught on tape" stuff and they'll run it ASAP.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=314322" rel="nofollow">CNN's Crime In Chicago series</a>Man On The Streethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811060909895247381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-7137066214878879272009-08-21T09:53:29.544-05:002009-08-21T09:53:29.544-05:00But nothing can change until people decide to star...<i>But nothing can change until people decide to start NOT tolerating the bad behaviors that lead to worse behaviors.</i><br /><br />That "broken windows theory has been discussed here over and over and most people agree that alerting police to the "small" things is important (graffiti, loitering, urinating in alleys, guys setting up shop on street corners illegally, etc.). And as for "tolerating", I don't think anyone has been tolerating anything here, as the post from the past week or so (or longer) indicates. The rallies? The filled-to-capacity CAPS meeting? Where do you get the idea that people need to stop tolerating anything here?Man On The Streethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811060909895247381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-59087747114055453672009-08-21T09:31:27.063-05:002009-08-21T09:31:27.063-05:00Emily- You can put them up on Vimeo completely ano...Emily- You can put them up on Vimeo completely anonymously. Create a new email address on gmail or the like, and use that to link to your vimeo/youtube profile. PLEASE POST THEM. We need to keep them coming. Videos like Joe Gray's and the ones taken on Clifton, need to be continually shown.mmmmm...beaconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327868702150660208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-24535365830037523422009-08-21T08:35:22.147-05:002009-08-21T08:35:22.147-05:00Here's an idea. Strap CCTV cameras onto the c...Here's an idea. Strap CCTV cameras onto the condos. Get with your condo association for the funds. That way if you're not there, the footage will be. We can make a channel on youtube. I like the way "Uptown Beat Down" sounds as a channel but it's just a suggestion. I think that'd draw some attention after a while. The trick will be making sure faces are caught in the video. The kids may dig being posted on youtube if their faces can not be seen as they would be anon. But I'm sure they would be thinking twice about committing a crime in the area if you can clearly see and identify them. I'm all about personal privacy and I hate having to suggest that, but if I have to choose between being caught on camera or becoming another statistic, I'll choose the camera any day of the week.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607266236363727065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-80595054281683101422009-08-21T00:41:07.752-05:002009-08-21T00:41:07.752-05:00And Al--I'm one of your so called "libera...And Al--I'm one of your so called "liberals" I guess--but that's what's wrong with labeling-I say-you're old enough to point a gun at someone-you're old enough to be locked up--No more second chances=you want to live like a thug-than die like one. No excuses.<br /><br />As far as the police--Al-I've heard the same thing-they've told me that they can't do anything with the gangs for fear of lawsuit and Daley not backing them up--but how much of this is taking that fear overboard--I'm an attorney and I know that no civil of police brutality is going to go forward merely becasue an officer tells a group of people grabbing someone's shirt and threatening their life in front of the officers, to go home, versus making the victim hide out. I'm sure a lot of it is merely a lack of motivation that has come from a feeling of a lack of support. So there are many factors, certainly. But we aren't going to change anything if we ignore that Schiller has been a problem, the police unhappiness and lack of motivation is a problem, and not getting the correct information about what is going on in terms of the fact that without a spotlight on the entire situation, we really had nothing on our side. Thanks to this young man who ws brave enough to show his face, we are already seeing incremental change.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11436076718088830168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-67300705455205829242009-08-21T00:29:13.810-05:002009-08-21T00:29:13.810-05:00Caring neighbor--thanks for the tip about utube--c...Caring neighbor--thanks for the tip about utube--can this be traced back to my identity? <br />I have spoken to the commander, after having written directly to her 4 times, requestin a review of my videos. She stated that she had to go to a meeting, but that she would have someone call me back. This did not happen. This is, mind you, after 7 attemps last year to request a viewing by the station with the same run-around. I called 911 and requested that the police stop up after the drive by in front of our unit last year. I called through the station and requested to meet or come down to the station. I was told it was "illegal" to tape out of my window. This year, after talking to the commander, as well as sending 4 e-mails, my neighbors and I sent in an official "Community Concern" request to the 23d district, which is supposed to go through proper channels that one can check on to determine the investigative status at the department. Before they even hit SUBMITTED status, they were wiped off of the system. I wrote the department to ask why--no response. Could it be that I predicted something horrible was about to go down, and automatic gunfire was shot in front of my window just days later at 11 AM FRIDAY JULY 3, just seconds before I was to be in its path-on my way to the cubs game.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11436076718088830168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-18538732125807487512009-08-20T23:42:56.976-05:002009-08-20T23:42:56.976-05:00emily, the police cannot get involved like they us...emily, the police cannot get involved like they used to years ago.<br /><br />It's just impossible because they are under attack. If a cop touches one of these "kids", the police are in trouble. Even when they see someone doing something illegal, it has to be proven. <br /><br />Regardless, the criminal justice system forces the police to release people and then the person is fed, rested and ready to rumble again.<br /><br />If a cop did touch the person, a lawyer is ready to start suing the city. The city will settle for $10 to 20 grand and the criminal comes out ahead!<br /><br />Caring Neighbor, I know what you are saying, but I disagree. This isn't national politics, it's all around us. As long as people tolerate bad behaviors that lead to worse behaviors, don't expect much to change. The police are reactive and not proactive precisely because of some of these issues.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104824378067592182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-35666424511237510482009-08-20T23:33:58.282-05:002009-08-20T23:33:58.282-05:00Emily: (1) Post 'em on YouTube or Vimeo. (2) C...<b>Emily:</b> (1) Post 'em on YouTube or Vimeo. (2) Call or email or make an appointment with the Commander. She always makes a point of saying they review situations to see where there can be improvement. If you feel you've got evidence that puts Joe Gray's to shame, share it with her and find out why the detective responded the way s/he did.<br /><br />Simply saying "I've got shocking video" doesn't change anything. Put it out there and let it be seen.<br /><br /><b>Al:</b> This is a blog dealing with Uptown and its issues, good and bad. It's not the place for rants about national politics. We're looking for simple solutions we can implement right here, right now, not pointing fingers at big situations we can't control.Caring Neighborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462466012844084710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-85947426535921991472009-08-20T23:21:25.027-05:002009-08-20T23:21:25.027-05:00Unfortunately, the police haven't responded AT...Unfortunately, the police haven't responded AT ALL to the majority of these situations, included requests to see the videos I have--which , by the way, are ten times worse than the one that the gentleman sent in, until the media put a spotlight on it. Anyone who says differently, didn't deal with what my building has every day for the past year and a half-including gunfire in the middle of the day--so we can do community walks all we want--but without police protection--nothing is going to save us from random gunfire. The last time I walked into the middle of a gang war out with my video camera, in order to show the police on the scene (who only showed after a man was taken in an ambulance after his head was smashed in with a brick)-because writing to the district and calling to view them didn't get a response, 17 gang members from the next block threatened my life in front of two detectives who told me their not allowed to do anything about it, so they had to take me in their car for two hours. They didn't want to view the video. I missed two hours of online editing work while gang members took over my streets. I live alone, and after that situation, I will never try to get involved again given that I had no police protection. If someone wants to view my videos and put them online, they are more than welcome.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11436076718088830168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-45975612460472661422009-08-20T23:16:11.344-05:002009-08-20T23:16:11.344-05:00ABecky, you said "People are recognizing that...ABecky, you said "People are recognizing that the REAL victims have been silenced."<br /><br />YES!<br /><br />But nothing can change until people decide to start NOT tolerating the bad behaviors that lead to worse behaviors.<br /><br />This is how Gulianai worked to clean up NYC. He went after petty crimes and behaviors so the old fashioned tools like shame would start working again.<br /><br />It starts with the small behaviors.<br /><br />We need to come out and start judging the bad behaviors and not tolerating them - at least enough to make the neighborhood livable. <br /><br />It's up to the PEOPLE to decide what to tolerate but tolerating everything leads to disaster.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104824378067592182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-78840882093887121902009-08-20T22:53:32.374-05:002009-08-20T22:53:32.374-05:00It may be a cycle, but it must come to an end, and...It may be a cycle, but it must come to an end, and I believe its time has come. People are recognizing that the REAL victims have been silenced, and they (we) are all FED THE HECK UP. <br /><br />Time to end this cycle guys. Who's with me?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05284604507207188195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-3274382215426240782009-08-20T22:52:28.279-05:002009-08-20T22:52:28.279-05:00AL, That's NOT the spirit! (she says grabbing ...AL, That's NOT the spirit! (she says grabbing her pom pons...)<br /><br />What you say has merit, but thinking like this hasn't gotten us very far. <br /><br />Yes, status quo is difficult re: limits on police.<br />Because of this, change is going to have to be gradual. <br /><br />The cops still do have tools and knowledge. If we (residents) get them (cops) the information about where crime is going down, they can still make arrests. If we sign complaints, they can make more arrests. <br /><br />Lets play this scenario out like a logical progression...<br /><br />The more we are aware of crime and call it in, the more opportunities cops have to arrest our problem children. They are (unfortunately) now experts in how to protect themselves from lawsuits and do their job to appease "rights" of criminals. The more arrests cops feel inclined/backed up to do, the more criminals get sent before a judge. The more we go to court as concerned citizens, the more likely a judge is to put some thought in his sentencing. The more often the judge makes crime costly, the more likely the cops are to keep arresting people (because now it's worth their effort) AND the more likely the criminals are to seek out safer rocks to crawl under. <br /><br />If I knew how to post a flow chart to illustrate this progression of change, I would. Then I would distribute it, with at least 1 picture of a hooker so the pirate could pay attention...NewKidOnTheBlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455736728690210237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-72134874564905647732009-08-20T22:16:44.187-05:002009-08-20T22:16:44.187-05:00What's next?
Replacing Shiller won't do m...What's next?<br /><br />Replacing Shiller won't do much.<br /><br />As long as we are stuck tolerating bad behaviors (as we have been taught since the late 60's), not much can be done.<br /><br />The police are stuck too. As soon as they try to do policing, the liberals work to undermine them with brutality charges.<br /><br />The criminal is deemed a victim and the real victims are mostly forgotten. This cycle goes on over and over again.<br /><br />The police used to take care of the smaller crimes that lead to bigger crimes but they can't anymore.<br /><br />It's all a nasty cycle.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104824378067592182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-54191742651743281402009-08-20T22:03:44.522-05:002009-08-20T22:03:44.522-05:00Uptown, Edgewater and Rogers Park have to work in ...Uptown, Edgewater and Rogers Park have to work in conjunction to assure that we have a voice and say we are supporting our police in a manner that has not happened since I was born and raised here on the North side.<br /><br />The police are not perfect and the gangs don't care who is collateral damgae. We are in the middle, I pick the police.DorothyParker007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12335896289011168986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1957537260422450632.post-16318912022683890642009-08-20T21:44:47.664-05:002009-08-20T21:44:47.664-05:00great job Sarah! I echo TSN. We need to be ON ALER...great job Sarah! I echo TSN. We need to be ON ALERT. All the 1000s of us who read UU need to be on alert and have 911 ready to be dialed. I'd say I've honestly called 911 AT LEAST 3x a week for the past 2 months. The police are here now... let's keep them here. Don't get soft.meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04615883482297341657noreply@blogger.com